[IRP] PROTECT IP no longer coming for a vote!

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 Dear all,
 I guess the idea about Google Groups means that the problem is not 
 where to host the lists, but rather to be able to make the most of 
 interactions thru the Net. Thus, I guess you are thinking of something 
 like a web page with certain capabilities of interaction among us, and 
 ways to organize the increasing amount of information and issues around 
 the world, a kind of private Facebook group.

 Anyway, I don't think that Google is precisely a safe haven for 
 privacy. May be we can "decentralize" a bit by maintaining a Wiki-style 
 webpage to gather all the info about the different issues we are working 
 about -which can be edited by any of us, distributing the efforts- plus 
 this very same list plus some application that allows to chat or to hold 
 virtual meetings of any kind, when the occasion requieres that. But I 
 think it's not necessary that all these things are hosted in the same 
 place.

 In case I'm wrong and all we need is a place to host a list, lol, I 
 guess we don't have problems to do it, though obviously I should first 
 ask our webmaster.

 Greetings,
 David


 On Tue, 24 Jan 2012 13:03:45 +0500, Shahzad Ahmad wrote:
> Or you may like to host the list at riseup.net groups?
>
>
>
> Security issues will also be dealt with then.
>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
> Shahzad
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Jillian C. York [mailto:jillian at eff.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:33 AM
> To: Jochai Ben-Avie
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> clodagh.miskelly at panos.org.uk; sylvia at peoplewho.org; 
> eric at privacy.org;
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> marcin.dekaminski at gmail.com; douglas at publicsphereproject.org;
> valerie.peugeot at gmail.com; fredericsultan at gmail.com; 
> marlyntadros at gmail.com;
> yvette at witness.org; sam at witness.org; mmitar at gmail.com;
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> Subject: Re: PROTECT IP no longer coming for a vote!
>
>
>
> While I'm glad to see this effort, I highly suggest using something 
> other
> than Google Groups.  Why not a proprietary email list of some sort?
>
> -Jillian
>
> On 1/23/12 12:40 PM, Jochai Ben-Avie wrote:
>
> Dear friends and colleagues,
>
>
>
> Over the weekend I've been doing a lot of thinking about how we can 
> maintain
> the momentum and power of all of the groups that have come together 
> to fight
> SOPA & PIPA. The scale and scope of action taken around this 
> legislation is
> unprecedented and shows the influence we can have when we work 
> together. But
> what actually made this ad hoc coalition so effective and how can we 
> harness
> this energy ahead of the next battle? Some thoughts:
>
>
>
> 1) Sharing information. I think in every political capitol, but 
> particularly
> in Washington D.C., things happen very quickly and it can be hard for
> international groups to keep their finger on the pulse of what's 
> happening.
> By pooling information, it is much easier to get a complete picture 
> of what
> "the other side" is planning, allowing us to identify leverage points 
> and
> spend resources most effectively.
>
> 2) Coordinated messaging. While there is certainly a balance to be 
> struck
> between having a diversity of voices and a unified narrative when
> international human rights organizations speak out against a 
> rights-abusing
> law, there is also value in knowing what other groups are going to be 
> doing
> and saying. This enables us to avoid conflict and to position our
> organizations most strategically.
>
> 3) Common action. There are times when a chorus of opposition can be
> influential (e.g., when each groups speaks out against a law 
> individually),
> but when it comes to the international human rights community, I 
> think we
> can also have a very powerful impact if we speak in one voice. We've 
> heard
> that our letters about SOPA and PIPA were particularly effective in 
> this
> regard. For example, we saw many of the talking points from our 
> letter about
> SOPA in the White House's statement on this legislation.
>
>
>
> This is not the last time that the international human rights 
> community will
> have to come together to defeat a particular digital rights-abusing 
> law.
> Indeed, SOPA and PIPA are likely to rear their ugly heads again 
> sometime in
> the next few weeks. And, of course, let us not forget about ACTA. 
> While the
> international human rights community can't speak out about every law 
> that
> threatens digital rights or the integrity of the internet, it's 
> important
> that we share information about what's happening around the world, 
> taking
> coordinated action when it makes sense to do so. While we're all on 
> many
> lists, I don't think there is an existing comprehensive listserv that
> achieves the goals outlined above. To help in coordinating sign-on in 
> the
> previous three letters (around the eG8, SOPA, and PIPA), we've 
> created a
> list of the contact people at a number of human rights organizations
> internationally (incidentally, the recipients of this email). To 
> speak to
> the goals above and make it easier for everyone on this thread to 
> coordinate
> action of the international human rights community, we've created a 
> google
> group for international digital rights organizations
> (digitalrightsorgs at googlegroups.com). We've initially sent 
> invitations to
> orgs that signed one of the letters about the eG8, SOPA, or PIPA 
> (about 100
> in total), but if there are others who should be included, just let 
> me know.
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jochai
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jochai Ben-Avie
> Policy Director
> Access | AccessNow.org
> P: +1-347-806-9531 | S: jochaiben-avie | PGP: 0x9E6D805F
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 20, 2012 at 9:58 AM, Jochai Ben-Avie 
> <jochai at accessnow.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
> Just wanted to let you know that... we did it! Everyone, we did it! 
> Senate
> Majority Leader Harry Reid has postponed Tuesday's cloture vote!
>
> Press release from Reid's office is below, but wanted to let you know 
> that
> the Public Knowledge strategy call originally scheduled for 1 PM EST 
> (GMT-5)
> has been moved to 2 PM and we'll be discussing next steps. Let me 
> know if
> you want the number.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jochai
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> <http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/20/reid-statement-on-intellectual-prope
> rty-bill/>
> 
> http://democrats.senate.gov/2012/01/20/reid-statement-on-intellectual-proper
> ty-bill/
>
>
>
>
> Washington, D.C. - Nevada Senator Harry Reid released the following
> statement today on the Senate's PROTECT I.P. Act:
>
>
>
> "In light of recent events, I have decided to postpone Tuesday's vote 
> on the
> PROTECT I.P. Act.
>
>
>
> "There is no reason that the legitimate issues raised by many about 
> this
> bill cannot be resolved. Counterfeiting and piracy cost the American 
> economy
> billions of dollars and thousands of jobs each year, with the movie 
> industry
> alone supporting over 2.2 million jobs. We must take action to stop 
> these
> illegal practices. We live in a country where people rightfully 
> expect to be
> fairly compensated for a day's work, whether that person is a miner 
> in the
> high desert of Nevada, an independent band in New York City, or a 
> union
> worker on the back lots of a California movie studio.
>
>
>
> "I admire the work that Chairman Leahy has put into this bill. I 
> encourage
> him to continue engaging with all stakeholders to forge a balance 
> between
> protecting Americans' intellectual property, and maintaining openness 
> and
> innovation on the internet. We made good progress through the 
> discussions
> we've held in recent days, and I am optimistic that we can reach a
> compromise in the coming weeks."
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jan 19, 2012 at 11:57 PM, Jochai Ben-Avie 
> <jochai at accessnow.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> Just wanted to reach out and give a brief summary of what's been 
> happening
> around PIPA and the letter you all signed on to.
>
>
>
> As I'm sure many of you know, yesterday, more than 115,000 websites 
> blacked
> out to protest PIPA and SOPA. I spent a large chunk of the day on the 
> Hill
> and the phones in Senate offices were ringing non-stop. Senator 
> Kirk's
> office, for example, said that they had received 5,000 calls in less 
> than 24
> hours. Some are saying that this is the most calls on any issue that 
> the
> Senate has ever received.
>
>
>
> On the offline side, the protest outside Sens. Schumer and 
> Gillibrand's
> offices in NYC coordinated by NY Tech Meetup was a rousing success, 
> with
> about 2,500 people turning out- perhaps the largest copyright protest 
> ever.
> Most of the Access Team was at the protest holding a giant 9x3 foot 
> banner
> that said "Say No to PIPA and SOPA" and then called attention to the 
> letter
> from the human rights community, listing the URL, and the names of 
> all of
> the signatories. For more details and photos, check out our blog post 
> here
> 
> <https://www.accessnow.org/policy-activism/press-blog/pipa-sopa-internet-cen
> sorship> .
>
>
>
> On the letter:
>
> A group of human rights organizations (including myself) were on the 
> Hill
> yesterday pushing the issues we raised in the letter. My impression 
> is that
> a lot of Senators (and Representatives, but the focus is on the House 
> at the
> moment given the legislative calendar) are really starting to grok 
> that this
> legislation affects human rights and are pulling their support or 
> going from
> no position to opposition. The fact that respected human rights like 
> ours
> are speaking out is making it easier for Senators to wean themselves 
> off the
> "there are no first amendment concerns in this bill because it only 
> deals
> with piracy koolaid." I'll also add that the section on information 
> location
> tools in particular seemed to have resonance and didn't appear to be 
> an
> issue that staffers were familiar with.
>
>
>
> Today, with help from the Free Press Action Fund, one of our 
> co-signatories,
> we delivered the letter to the full Senate. It would be really great 
> if
> everyone on this list could follow up with any contacts that you have 
> on the
> Hill to make sure they see the letter. The final version of the 
> letter can
> be found at https://www.accessnow.org/pipa-letter, if you want to 
> give a
> link to download the letter as a PDF use:
> 
> https://www.accessnow.org/page/-/docs/PIPA-LETTER-FROM-HUMAN-RIGHTS-COMMUNIT
> Y-FINAL.pdf.
>
>
>
> Access press release about the delivery of the letter can be found 
> here:
> 
> https://www.accessnow.org/policy-activism/press-blog/human-rights-organizati
> ons-rally-against-pipa-sopa. Please feel free to reuse this press 
> release as
> you wish (and change up the quotes), key thing is just to get media
> attention around the letter.
>
>
>
> While Tuesday's vote is still a very real threat that we should be 
> pushing
> hard on, things seem to be going our way. This afternoon, I've heard 
> that
> Harry Reid, the Senate Majority Leader won't be whipping votes for 
> the vote
> on Tuesday, and Mitch McConnell (the Senate Minority Leader) has come 
> out
> against. However, if this bill passes a cloture vote on Tuesday, it's 
> about
> 95% down the road to becoming law, and at that point we can only hope 
> for
> amendments to make it better.
>
>
>
> Complicating things a little bit is that a Kyl-Leahy brokered 
> manager's
> amendment may drop as early as tomorrow. For those not so familiar 
> with
> these names, Sen. Leahy is the Chairman of the Senate Judiciary 
> Committee
> and the lead sponsor of PIPA and Sen. Kyl is the Republican Whip (the 
> second
> highest ranking Republican in the Senate). For those who don't speak
> American legislative lingo, a manager's amendment allows the lead 
> sponsor of
> the legislation (in this case Senator Leahy) to more or less 
> unilaterally
> rewrite the provisions of the bill, so PIPA post-manager's amendment 
> may
> look like a very different piece of legislation. Leahy's office will 
> try and
> sell this as a compromise, assuaging the concerns that opponents and
> citizens of the internet have raised, but the messaging around this 
> should
> be "you don't compromise on human rights." Moreover, without seeing 
> the
> actual language of the manager's amendment (which the public probably 
> won't
> see until Monday), we're just kind of taking Leahy's at his word that
> problematic elements have been removed, and there are too many BIG 
> problems
> with this bill to extend him that kind of trust. We need rhetoric 
> like the
> internet is too important an enabler of human rights to make hasty 
> decisions
> and backrooms deals about its governance.
>
>
>
> For those who really want to dive deep into the inside the beltway
> machinations and movements around this bill, Public Knowledge (one of 
> the DC
> groups that's been leading the charge in the fight against PIPA/SOPA) 
> is
> holding a strategy call tomorrow at 1PM EST (GMT-5). Happy to pass on 
> the
> number to those interested.
>
>
>
> If you have any questions let me know. Thanks for all your support!
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jochai
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Jochai Ben-Avie
> Policy Director
> Access | AccessNow.org
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> --
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> Jochai Ben-Avie
> Policy Director
> Access | AccessNow.org
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