[IRP] APC statement to denounce attacks on anonymous online speech by US gov
Dixie Hawtin
Dixie
Tue Apr 24 19:50:52 EEST 2012
The use of progressive within the statement seems to be showing support for the decision by those ISPs to support anonymous internet use (rather than support for the human rights groups signing the statement!). I am happy with it. Norbert? Lee? Tapani? Everyone else?
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From: irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] On Behalf Of Anriette Esterhuysen
Sent: 24 April 2012 17:32
To: irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org; mallory Knodel
Subject: Re: [IRP] APC statement to denounce attacks on anonymous online speech by US gov
Hi all
It is on our website with this heading.. but should not be a problem to change the heading.
But are you OK with this text in the body of the statement?
"This week, three politically-progressive internet service providers and hundreds of their users were attacked by the US Federal Bureau of Investigation for supporting the use of the internet by anonymous users."
Anriette
On 24/04/12 18:22, Lee W McKnight wrote:
> Agreed also with Norbert on asking for broader 'Internet RightsThis
> week, three politically-progressive internet service providers and
> hundreds of their users were attacked by the US Federal Bureau of
> Investigation for supporting the use of the internet by anonymous
> users. From their joint press release: Organizations' title.
>
> Lee *From:* irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> [irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] on behalf of
> Ginger Paque [gpaque at gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:57
> AM *To:* Dixie Hawtin *Cc:* irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> *Subject:* Re: [IRP] APC statement to denounce attacks on anonymous
> online speech by US gov
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> Agree as well. Tx. gp
>
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> On 24 April 2012 11:12, Dixie Hawtin <Dixie at global-partners.co.uk
> <mailto:Dixie at global-partners.co.uk>> wrote:
>
> Great! Well, if everyone is happy I will let Mallory know that we
> would like to sign on (with feedback about use of the term
> "progressive").
>
> Let me know in the next couple of hours! Dixie
>
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> Of Marianne Franklin Sent: 24 April 2012 16:28 To: Norbert Bollow Cc:
> irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> <mailto:irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org> Subject: Re: [IRP]
> APC statement to denounce attacks on anonymous online speech by US gov
>
> + 1 from me too
>
> MF
>
> On Tue, April 24, 2012 16:00, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>> Dear all
>>
>>
>> I also agree with endorsing the statement.
>>
>>
>> Although I'm not totally happy about the word "progressive" in the
>> title. I tend to think that this is something that just about all
>> internet rights organisations (that have their heads screwed on
>> right) would want to strongly denounce, no matter whether they're
>> otherwise "progressive" or "conservative" or whatever.
>>
>>
>> Greetings, Norbert
>>
>>
>>
>> Dixie Hawtin <Dixie at global-partners.co.uk
> <mailto:Dixie at global-partners.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>
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>>> Of Bodle, Robert Sent: 24 April 2012 15:41 To: Marianne Franklin;
>>> Meryem Marzouki Cc: IRP Subject: [IRP] APC statement to denounce
>>> attacks on anonymous online speech by US gov
>>>
>>> Can IRP endorse APC's statement: "Progressive internet rights
>>> organisations strongly denounce attack on anonymous online speech by
>>> US government"
>>> http://www.apc.org/en/news/apc-statement-progressive-internet-rights
>>> -
>
>>>
>> or
>>> ganisa
>>>
>>> "Indeed, throughout history, people's willingness to engage in
>>> debate on controversial subjects in the public sphere has always
>>> been linked to possibilities for doing so anonymously" -Frank La
>>> Rue (2011)
>>>
>>> Best, robert
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Robert Bodle, PhD Associate Professor of Communication and New Media
>>> Studies College of Mount St. Joseph http://robertbodle.org/
>>>
>>>
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> <mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>] On Behalf
> Of
>>> Marianne Franklin [M.I.Franklin at gold.ac.uk
> <mailto:M.I.Franklin at gold.ac.uk>]
>>> Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 7:12 AM To: Meryem Marzouki Cc: IRP
>>> Subject: Re: [IRP] FYI - New CoE group of experts on 'Rights of
>>> Internet Users'
>>>
>>>
>>> Dear Meryem/all
>>>
>>>
>>> Just to confirm that it what I meant; great you can be part of an
>>> IRP WG on this.
>>>
>>> best MF
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, April 21, 2012 01:28, Meryem Marzouki wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Marianne and all,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Do you mean being part of the IRP WG on this? Yes, sure. Best,
>>>> Meryem
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Le 20 avr. 2012 ? 11:02, Marianne Franklin a ??crit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Meryem. You are going to - want to stay involved directly
>>>>> with this initiative I hope?
>>>>>
>>>>> best MF
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, April 20, 2012 09:58, Dixie Hawtin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all -
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Meryem, this seems like a really great opportunity for the IRP to
>>>>>> feed in (and hopefully shape) some initiatives at the CoE to push
>>>>>> our Charter and 10 IRPs further... thanks for putting some IRP
>>>>>> people up as potential experts. And of course, the more IRP
>>>>>> members who are able to finance themselves to participate as an
>>>>>> "observer" the better.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Moving forward, I think the best thing to do would be to identify
>>>>>> who in the Coalition is interested in feeding in to this
>>>>>> initiative, and then making a smaller working group to focus on
>>>>>> this issue and coordinate IRP involvement in the group. Do we
>>>>>> have a sense of when the CoE is going to announce who is on the
>>>>>> expert group, and what kind of timeframe we are working on?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again Meryem!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also just to let everyone know - the IRP Working Group for the
>>>>>> IGF are working on a number of workshop proposals which we will
>>>>>> be submitting today. One is a provocative look at the concept of
>>>>>> multi-stakeholderism, one is looking at whether access to the
>>>>>> Internet is a human right (following up on the Oped Vint Cerf
>>>>>> wrote earlier this year), and one is on empowering internet
>>>>>> users (which we are co-sponsoring with the Council of Europe). I
>>>>>> will forward the links to the proposals once they are all up
>>>>>> online.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In addition to this we will also have our IRP workshop, which we
>>>>>> seek to use to really promote awareness and campaign on the 10
>>>>>> IRPs!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best, Dixie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>>>>> irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
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>>>>>> [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> <mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>] On
>>>>>> Behalf Of David Goldberg Sent: 20 April 2012 08:31 To:
>>>>>> Meryem Marzouki Cc: IRP Subject: Re: [IRP] FYI - New CoE group of
>>>>>> experts on "Rights of Internet Users"
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dear Meryem,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could be interested in being an "observer" at the Expert
>>>>>> Group...and I do understand what you say about that being a
>>>>>> self-financing role...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19 April 2012 18:15, Meryem Marzouki <meryem at marzouki.info
> <mailto:meryem at marzouki.info>>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dear IRP colleagues,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm representing EDRI (European Digital Rights) as observer to
>>>>>>> the Council of Europe CDMSI (Steering Committee on Media and
>>>>>>> Information Society, which held its 1st meeting agenda here:
>>>>>>> http://www.coe.int/t/dghl/standardsetting/media/CDMC/default_en.
>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> asp) .
>>>>>>> Among many items on the agenda, the creation of an expert group
>>>>>>> on "Rights of Internet Users" was (MC-RIU) proposed by the
>>>>>>> Secretariat and discussed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The tentative Terms of References and workplan proposed by the
>>>>>>> Secretariat (see above link) were discussed during the 1st
>>>>>>> CDMSI meeting. Members States delegates agreed on its creation,
>>>>>>> provided that the terms of references are modified a bit, so
>>>>>>> that item (iii) of the "Main Tasks" now reads: "(iii) advise the
>>>>>>> CDMSI, upon its request, on all questions within its area of
>>>>>>> competence and on rights and responsibilities of internet users,
>>>>>>> intermediaries, and other internet actors."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyway, the tasks remain wide enough to develop interesting work
>>>>>>> in the framework of the MC-RIU group.
>>>>>>> The main objective for the group, besides the "compendium of
>>>>>>> Internet users rights" would be to focus on existing recourses
>>>>>>> and remedies for users.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The group is supposed to be formed by 13 experts (this is the
>>>>>>> maximum allowed by the available budget, since experts are
>>>>>>> reimbursed for their expenses to attend the group meetings). It
>>>>>>> is currently written that these 13 will be 7 Member States
>>>>>>> representatives and 6 independent experts. After the discussion,
>>>>>>> there will be "at least" 7 Member States representatives. Of
>>>>>>> course, there could be more participants in the group, but the
>>>>>>> additional people will be called "observers". Note that the main
>>>>>>> difference is that observers don't get reimbursed for their
>>>>>>> expenses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> CDMSI members and observers were asked to send expression of
>>>>>>> interests and suggestions for independent experts (i.e. others
>>>>>>> than member states representatives) to the Secretariat by April
>>>>>>> 16. The CDMSI bureau will decide on final selection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On behalf of EDRI, I expressed our interest to participate as
>>>>>>> expert, and I made suggestions for other independent experts,
>>>>>>> taking into account many criteria, such as a willing to include
>>>>>>> IRP people, as well as gender and country balance (needed to
>>>>>>> have the suggestions considered) and the fact that budget-wise,
>>>>>>> it is unlikely that the CoE would bring people based outside of
>>>>>>> the European continent. Again, not being in the small group of
>>>>>>> experts that will be selected doesn't mean not being able to
>>>>>>> participate to the work, though without travel funding to attend
>>>>>>> meetings. As the attached workplan mentions, at-large
>>>>>>> consultations will also be organized.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Obviously, this work would highly benefit from the work already
>>>>>>> done by the IRP (charter, 10 IRP, etc.), as well as by other
>>>>>>> groups on the same topic. I wanted to inform the coalition of
>>>>>>> this development, so that we can also collectively follow and
>>>>>>> participate to this new initiative, especially through the
>>>>>>> consultations that will be organized. Dixie and Matthias will
>>>>>>> probably make suggestions to follow-up on this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best, Meryem
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- Meryem Marzouki - Paris, France Email:
>>>>>>> meryem at marzouki.info <mailto:meryem at marzouki.info> Lab.
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