[IRP] French translation

[parminder]

Hi All

The term 'network equality' was thrown up in an intense debate on 
network neutrality at an APC meeting in Italy last year... The context 
in which it popped up was the fact/ argument that 'neutrality' was a 
technical term with limited socio-political meaning and validity, and I 
think we can all agree on this. We dont want just to nominally be the 
'same to all' but be substantively equal in  terms of real treatment, 
real opportunities etc.

Also, as we move to a digitally mediated social reality, it is not the 
Internet which is the central social phenomenon but the 'network' as the 
chief organizational form of the information/ network society. (However, 
the 'network' is made possible in its present dominating form only 
because of the Internet.) The idea is that the Internet should be such 
as promotes network equality rather than network exclusions (very strong 
kinds of which are already taking place).So, dear Meryem,  I meant the 
term in a much more socially multi dimensional manner than just 
connoting equality of access.

And it is in this larger context, and for the purpose of these larger 
objectives, we want an Internet that provides a level playing field, in 
terms of economic, social, political and cultural opportunities. The 
technical architecture of such an Internet would be such that brooks no 
discrimination on commercial, political and other grounds.

This may look like a convoluted logic to arrive at a principle that we 
generally all seem to agree on, but perhaps such a socio-political 
(equality, in its socio-political meanings, in which it is shrined in 
many a constitutions) and historical (network society) framing of the 
'socio-technical' principle we are proposing is necessary both for its 
larger acceptance, and continued validity as technical developments take 
place, and continue to redefine our social structures in many basic ways.

Parminder



On Wednesday 30 March 2011 05:41 PM, Dixie Hawtin wrote:
>
> Hi Meryem,
>
> I think "equality" is another way of saying non-discrimination, i.e. 
> that it refers to equality of access to content (i.e. to content or 
> ability of publishing), rather than equality of physical access. But 
> perhaps Parminder would be best to reply as he suggested the wording?
>
> Dixie
>
> *From:*irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org 
> [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] *On Behalf 
> Of *Meryem Marzouki
> *Sent:* 30 March 2011 12:37
> *To:* Marcin de Kaminski
> *Cc:* IRP
> *Subject:* Re: [IRP] French translation
>
> Please also let me know what you've understood by "technical and 
> policy innovation" (7). Thanks
>
> Meryem
>
> Le 30 mars 2011 ? 13:34, Marcin de Kaminski a ?crit :
>
>
>
> That term is what us left for us to decide upon. I'm currently afk so 
> I do not know what the latest suggestion is. I will check that in a 
> short while.
>
> /Marcin
>
> Den 30 mar 2011 13.33 skrev "Meryem Marzouki" <meryem at marzouki.info 
> <mailto:meryem at marzouki.info>>:
> > So, have you translated it literaly as "network equality"? This is 
> meaningless. I agree we shouldn't use "net neutrality", since the 
> meaning would thus be different, that's why I'm suggesting "non 
> discrimination", which is closest to "equality".
> > Meryem
> >
> > Le 30 mars 2011 ? 13:29, Marcin de Kaminski a ?crit :
> >
> >> We have been discussing "net equality" in the Swedish translation 
> team, and even though we'd rather see "net neutrality" our guess is 
> that the choice of words was deliberate and we therefore try to not 
> use "net neutrality" as a term.
> >>
> >> /Marcin
> >>
> >> Den 30 mar 2011 13.24 skrev "Meryem Marzouki" <meryem at marzouki.info 
> <mailto:meryem at marzouki.info>>:
> >> > Hi all,
> >> >
> >> > I'm almost done with the French translation, including the intro 
> blurb. While revising the French text, I'd like to check what is 
> exactly meant:
> >> >
> >> > - in 7), by "technical and policy innovation". Is it about 
> innovation in both the technical and policy domains, and if so, which 
> policy? general i.e. political innovation or is it about innovation 
> policy?
> >> >
> >> > - in 8) by Network *Equality*. Equality of access? Well, it's 
> certainly too late, by "Equality" is misleading here, if not simply 
> wrong (as you know, my dear Parminder;)) : the net should be neutral, 
> but it's not the net that should be equal, rather its access /usage! 
> Now I can't find an accurate translation for that. "?galit? du r?seau" 
> doesn't fit at all. The best would be "Absence de discrimination" (Non 
> Discrimination), but it's rather far from the English version. Any idea?
> >> >
> >> > Thanks and sorry if this was previously clarified in discussions 
> that unfortunately I've not closely followed.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Meryem
> >> >
> >> > Le 29 mars 2011 ? 17:14, pola.k at free.fr <mailto:pola.k at free.fr> a 
> ?crit :
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I can help with the french version if still needed.
> >> >>
> >> >> pola key
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