[IRP] Nature of Charter - Conference Call
Bodle, Robert
Robert_Bodle
Wed Nov 24 19:36:21 EET 2010
Hello everyone,
I just missed the meeting ? I was really excited to touch base with everyone, but instead I will add some comments below:
I tend to agree with Dixie (and others perhaps) that the aims of the Charter should be separated out:
1) ?the Charter? A Manifesto for advocacy (with punchiness ? precise, concise, with strong language)
2) a document outlining roles and responsibilities
3) an explanatory document and reference tool
Yet, I think the reference tool should be elaborate and ambitious ? that it should be a digital library, resource center, and commons. Perhaps it can be called something like "Human Rights on the Internet: Digital Library | Resource Center | Commons (I am drawing inspiration here from: http://internetresearchethics.org/ supported by the Center for Information Policy Research at the School of Information Studies, UW-Milwaukee). This would be a repository for all who want to access sources of the provisions in the charter as a resource tool.
This would take $$ which means we would need grant funding opportunities, perhaps hosting institutions, PhD candidates to run, etc. I'd love to work with someone on this. Maybe it could be a phased project that builds steam after the explanatory document is established.
Cheers,
Robert
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From: irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org [irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] On Behalf Of Dixie Hawtin [Dixie at global-partners.co.uk]
Sent: Monday, November 22, 2010 9:06 AM
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Subject: [IRP] Nature of Charter - Conference Call
Hi all,
Thanks for the comments which have come in so far about the nature of the Charter and what exactly we are trying to do. Anriette - I fully agree that the Roles and Responsibilities document is very important and should be a priority over the next year. I also think an explanatory document citing sources will be incredibly useful. If anyone has any thoughts at all, please do send them through to the list.
We will be having a conference call this Wednesday at 15:00 GMT, the details of the call are below. Anyone who is free and who is interested in the Charter please do join, we have an opportunity now to define exactly what it is we are doing and the resulting document and process should really benefit from this... which in turn will help us to promote human rights in the internet governance arenas!
All the best,
Dixie
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 17:22:40 +0000
From: Dixie Hawtin <Dixie at global-partners.co.uk>
To: "irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org"
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Subject: [IRP] My opinion
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Hi all,
There haven't been any replies yet about the "objectives and nature of the Charter", so I thought that if I state my own opinions it may provoke someone to disagree (or even agree!) with me.
The more I look at the Charter the more I feel like we are trying to achieve two quite different things in the same document - on the one hand we are writing an advocacy document and trying to promote a particular and very progressive interpretation of human rights. On the other hand we are trying to write a reference document which is as comprehensive as possible and it doesn't matter that we are repetitive, nuanced, meandering etc. I think that both of these aims are very important and can be achieved through the Charter process, but I think they should be separated out so that the documents are more coherent and so much stronger.
I feel that the Charter should be structured in a slightly different way. I think that when we talk about "the Charter" we should be referring to just the first section (i.e. rights and principles) and that this should be strong and definite and read like a manifesto. Then, I think two/three other documents are needed to back it up (which form a "family" of documents):
1. What is currently section two, a document outlining the roles and responsibilities of all actors in relation to the Charter right/principles
2. An explanatory document which lists all the sources of the provisions in the Charter and states the arguments behind what we have chosen to include (here you would find ALL sources, e.g. international, regional, non-human rights documents such as WTO or WIPO docs, national document e.g. Brazilian principles, documents from other groups e.g. EFF principles etc). This would be very useful as a reference tool.
3. A user friendly version, although I would hope that the Charter could be made simple and clear enough that a user-friendly document wouldn't be necessary.
With "The Charter" in my opinion we are operating within the framework of existing human rights, and everything we state must be drawn back to an existing human right, but we can be as progressive as we like within those boundaries. The authority for our arguments comes from outside documents where they back up our arguments, but to a greater extent comes from the large amount of knowledge we contain within the Coalition on the internet and human rights, together with our extensive consultation process.
However, given that "The Charter" should be (in my opinion) predominately an advocacy document, I think we need to be precise, concise and use strong language. I have examples, but I don't want to give everyone to much to read! Here are just a couple:
-I think some of our provisions are quite weak and should be removed (although very few of them are in this category, one example is this: "the Internet [must be use] for the protection of the environment" (nb, I am not proposing that we remove mention of ewaste)
-I think some of our provisions are repetitive and only one is necessary, for example the article on right to associations contains both of these sentences where I feel only one is needed
* Everyone has the right to form, join, meet or visit the website or network of an assembly, group or association for any reason, including political and social.
* Everyone has the freedom to establish or join online communities.
-I believe we should use powerful language e.g. not "Cultural and linguistic diversity on the Internet shall be encouraged in the form of text, images and sound" as it is at present, but, "Cultural and linguistic diversity on the Internet must be realized".
I look forward to hearing people's thoughts on this.
All the best,
Dixie
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Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2010 21:31:38 +0200
From: Anriette Esterhuysen <anriette at apc.org>
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Subject: Re: [IRP] My opinion
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Dear Dixie
I agree with you.. very hard to have a focused document if it is trying
to achieve multiple, and different goals.
In splitting it into a family of documents I would like to see a far
more prominent place for what, from my perspective, is an incredibly
useful piece of work.. the spreadsheet with rights an interpretations
from an internet perspective which Meryem developed.
Anriette
On 18/11/10 19:22, Dixie Hawtin wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> There haven't been any replies yet about the "objectives and nature of
> the Charter", so I thought that if I state my own opinions it may
> provoke someone to disagree (or even agree!) with me.
>
> The more I look at the Charter the more I feel like we are trying to
> achieve two quite different things in the same document -- on the one
> hand we are writing an advocacy document and trying to promote a
> particular and very progressive interpretation of human rights. On the
> other hand we are trying to write a reference document which is as
> comprehensive as possible and it doesn't matter that we are
> repetitive, nuanced, meandering etc. I think that both of these aims
> are very important and can be achieved through the Charter process,
> but I think they should be separated out so that the documents are
> more coherent and so much stronger.
>
> I feel that the Charter should be structured in a slightly different
> way. I think that when we talk about "the Charter" we should be
> referring to just the first section (i.e. rights and principles) and
> that this should be strong and definite and read like a manifesto.
> Then, I think two/three other documents are needed to back it up
> (which form a "family" of documents):
>
> 1. What is currently section two, a document outlining the roles and
> responsibilities of all actors in relation to the Charter right/principles
>
> 2. An explanatory document which lists all the sources of the
> provisions in the Charter and states the arguments behind what we have
> chosen to include (here you would find ALL sources, e.g.
> international, regional, non-human rights documents such as WTO or
> WIPO docs, national document e.g. Brazilian principles, documents from
> other groups e.g. EFF principles etc). This would be very useful as a
> reference tool.
>
> 3. A user friendly version, although I would hope that the Charter
> could be made simple and clear enough that a user-friendly document
> wouldn't be necessary.
>
> With "The Charter" in my opinion we are operating within the framework
> of existing human rights, and everything we state must be drawn back
> to an existing human right, but we can be as progressive as we like
> within those boundaries. The authority for our arguments comes from
> outside documents where they back up our arguments, but to a greater
> extent comes from the large amount of knowledge we contain within the
> Coalition on the internet and human rights, together with our
> extensive consultation process.
>
> However, given that "The Charter" should be (in my opinion)
> predominately an advocacy document, I think we need to be precise,
> concise and use strong language. I have examples, but I don't want to
> give everyone to much to read! Here are just a couple:
>
> -I think some of our provisions are quite weak and should be removed
> (although very few of them are in this category, one example is this:
> "the Internet [must be use] for the protection of the environment"
> (nb, I am not proposing that we remove mention of ewaste)
>
> -I think some of our provisions are repetitive and only one is
> necessary, for example the article on right to associations contains
> both of these sentences where I feel only one is needed
>
> ? Everyone has the right to form, join, meet or visit the website or
> network of an assembly, group or association for any reason, including
> political and social.
>
> ? Everyone has the freedom to establish or join online communities.
>
> -I believe we should use powerful language e.g. not "Cultural and
> linguistic diversity on the Internet shall be encouraged in the form
> of text, images and sound" as it is at present, but, "Cultural and
> linguistic diversity on the Internet must be realized".
>
> I look forward to hearing people's thoughts on this.
>
> All the best,
>
> Dixie
>
> ___________________________________________________________
>
> *Dixie Hawtin*
>
> *Researcher **Global Partners and Associates***
>
> 338 City Road, London, EC1V 2PY, UK
>
> Office: + 44 207 239 8251 Mobile: +44 7769 181 556
>
> *dixie at global-partners.co.uk <mailto:lisa at global-partners.co.uk>**
> **www.global-partners.co.uk <http://www.global-partners.co.uk/> *
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