[IRP] Charter process

Lisa Horner lisa
Wed Jan 6 20:35:26 EET 2010

Hi Anriette and all

I agree we should try and get as wide as posisble feedback on the draft Charter.  That's why I suggested that maybe the IGF open consultations might be a better opportunity than the Eurodig to piggy back a meeting onto...more non-Europeans might be going?  There are consultations planned for May, which could fit into Meryem's proposed schedule (pasted below for reference) quite well.  I think we should aim to have a one day meeting for the coalition, focusing on charter feedback but also encompassing other issues,similar to the Spetember 2009 meeting in Geneva.  We should aim for better remote participation so that the venue of the meeting isn't so much of an issue.  

We could also consult at the regional IGFs as Anriette suggests - that'd be a great opportunity to widen participation in the process and raise awareness about it. However, if we do that, I think that we'll still need an in-depth meeting/consultation with the expert group as well.  The idea is for a proper discussion with the experts about why they have chosen certain wording or included/excluded certain issues.  I doubt they can go to all of the regional IGFs to do that.

If we do decide to reach out at the regional IGFs, we'd need for people to take ownership of organising the consultation at each of them...do we know when they are and, is there any interest amongst people on the list in helping to organise that? We'd also have to make sure the expert group have all inputs before mid-August.  

The options as I see it are (not necessarily mutually exclusive):
1) Have an IRP/Charter meeting the day before the Eurodig (28th April, Madrid).
2) Have the meeting the day before the IGF consultations (9th May, Geneva).
3) Have the meeting at another of the regional IGFs (might be trickier for experts to get there).
3) Consult on the charter at all regional IGFs.

It would be great if people could comment on these options so that we can decide fairly soon. Who is planning to attend which events so that we can determine where we'll have the most people in one place?  We can also discuss in the meeting tomorrow. 

RE comments from human rights orgs, that's in Meryem's plan, scheduled for May.

All the best,


-       Until 31st December 2009: further edits and comments by IRP members and agreement on the HR expert group work program (methodology and milestones). IRP representatives should provide last version (as of 31st December) of IRP charter to HR expert group.

-       From 1st January to 25 April 2010: HR expert group develop a first draft of the charter

-       EuroDIG 2010 (29-30 April 2010, Madrid): first round of comments by IRP coalition and other EuroDIG participants. Subject to feasibility: organize a closed HR experts, organizations and institutions meeting.

-       From 1st May to 31st May 2010: Consultation with other HR experts and HR organizations and institutions.

-       From 1st June to 30 June 2010: HR expert group consolidates the draft

-       From 1st July to 31st August 2010: Latest (minor) comments by IRP coalition. Long period due to summer holidays. Synthesis of these comments to be provided to HR expert group by IRP representatives (this is needed given that only 10 days left for final consolidation)

-       From 1st September to 10 September: HR expert group consolidates the draft with latest comments.

-       IGF 2010 (14-17 September 2010, Vilnius): public launch of the charter

-----Original Message-----
From: Anriette Esterhuysen [mailto:anriette at apc.org]
Sent: Mon 21/12/2009 20:30
To: Lisa Horner
Cc: Irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
Subject: Re: [IRP] Charter process
Dear Lisa

I am not sure what the exact schedule is, but it would be good to get
feedback on a draft at regional IGFs other than just at Eurodig.

There will be the LAC, East and West African IGFs that I know of.
Possibly more.

APC will also facilitate comment from our network as soon as there is a

And, what about requesting feedback from organisations like Human Rights
Watch, Article 19, Amnesty, HREA (human rights education) and other
human rights organisations?  They might have different perspectives, but
it could be useful to:

- alert them to our work
- get their reactions




On Mon, 2009-12-21 at 11:36 +0000, Lisa Horner wrote:
> Hi all
> Just some thoughts about the charter process to feed into the call and
> repsond to some points made so far...
>  can't see there being any huge points of contention between the
> "experts" and the wider coalition.  Their job is really just to take
> what we've done, make sure that it doesn't erode existing rights
> standards and out it into a coherent structure.  Once we have a draft
> to work with, both sides should be open to discussion about the detail
> and why certain edits may or may not be appropriate.  I can see it
> being a really educative and informative process for us all. But it is
> true that we should be prepared for disagreement, and we should manage
> that process of discussion - giving the experts space to present the
> draft, coalition members opportunities to ask questions, and both
> groups time to come to consensus.
> In light of that, I think we should aim for a detailed face to face
> meeting concerning the charter at the Eurodig in April or IGF planning
> meeting in May, with good facilities and systems for remote
> participation.  It'd be good to kow how many people intend to go to
> each of those meetings in person so that we can make a call about
> which venue to tag our meeting on to.
> Also, maybe we could shift the last deadline for the final comment
> period back to 15th August, and then ask for a final version of the
> Charter from the experts by the end of August.  That would give us
> time to iron out any final disputes and print/publish whatever we need
> to?  I realise it encroaches on the summer holidays, but hopefully
> that'd be ok if we've got the timescale laid out in advance?  
> As we can't really anticipate the nature of any disputes in advance,
> maybe the steering committee could commit to considering cases as they
> arise and halping to identify appropriate solutions?  We could also
> have a liaison between the committee and the coalition to help ongoing
> communication between the two.
> All the best,
> Lisa
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