[IRP] [charter] last round before Section 1 milestone

[shaila mistry]

Hi Max
I have several comments and have written them down in blue  under yours : please scroll down. 
I welcome your assistance and any one else s to work on this with me.
I also have comments on privacy and the others.
regards
Shaila 

 
Life is too short ....challenge the rules
Forgive quickly ... love truly ...and tenderly
Laugh constantly.....and never stop dreaming! 
 




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From: Max Senges <maxsenges at gmail.com>
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Sent: Sun, October 18, 2009 2:05:29 PM
Subject: [charter] last round before Section 1 milestone

Hi folks


As promised I have done a good overhaul of the draft. I have aimed at two things: (1) consistency & consolidation and (2) hypertextualizing

Basically I tried to either flesh out important bullet points or drop less important ones.

Secondly I added thematic subpages and started to set links to background info and references

I would like to bring up the following more substantial editorial changes:

A) Pursuing our aim to create a compact text that focuses on transposing Human Rights to the online sphere I deleted the rights where we did not see a need to elaborate on how they are effected and I propose to drop the following sections:

Article 3 & 4: Security of person and Slavery: I think the points listed here are correct, but they are so broad and in fact acknowledge the paradox of clashing rights, but request all measures not to fall into this most complex trap... My feeling is that these articles are not very powerful as HR policy instruments, but rather water down our text. --- Shaila do you want to comment/agree/disagree

The right to life liberty and security of person precedes any other right. Only after these rights are guaranteed can there be a discussion and relevance to assuring personal privacy, freedom of expression etc.  The matter or the body first then the thoughts and expression of rights. I can understand that since we all  have our personal  liberty assured , it is indeed hard to see that there are many who do not!
These rights belong here since they are fundamental to existence. Unfortunately the Internet has become a vehicle and a catalyst in enabling abuse of these rights.  So we need strong statements to  indicate the sovereignty of this right. 
 
So yes I do strongly feel they belong here and they do not water down our charter. In fact they strengthen them. I would like the wording to be stronger, but tried to keep it more neutral.  Can you or anyone else assist in this?   
shaila


Article 11: Presumption of innocence: Again I think the points made make sense; but are we really missing an argument if they are not there?  Rebecca what do you think? Lisa i guess you originally drafted these points 

Article 17: Property: There is no new aspect to that right on the internet really, is there? Robert please agree or argue for your point.

Article 18: Freedom of believe: Again I am not sure as to what degree the internet represents a new context for this right or wheter it simply applies to online expression as well.    

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B) The three BIG Rights when it comes to the Internet: Privacy, Freedom of Expression and (A2K) Article 27: Cultural participation  have all received very good input and need to be consolidated now. 
Could someone from the drafters (or someone like Katiza who hasn't contributed her expertise yet) try to write a coherent and consolidated version?
   - Privacy was collabowritten by: Jac, Rebecca, Max --- @ Katiza, Jan, could you contribute as well?      I have some comments 
   - Freedom of Expression was collabowritten by: Jac, Emily, Rebecca, Lauren, Max     I Have some comments
   - Cultural participation & interests had input from Shaila, Marianne and Shaila  I have some comments 

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NEXT STEPS
I would hope that we can get Section 1 to its first milestone (= coherent version) really soon (before the end of the month). Our next steps then are:
(i) to reach out to experts like Wolfgang Benedek, who said he would be happy to check that we do not speak legal gibberish and
(ii) to reach out to our communities (local and thematic), spread the work, invite people to join us. (As Robert Guerra pointed out it would be particularly good to have more traditional Human Rights experts and activists participate)

Another idea we could consider is if it might be feasible to make a Maker's style version of the charter for the IGF. Remember they use very basic "human-readable" catch phrases http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2006/12/the_makers_bill_of_rights.html 

Ok everybody THANK YOU very much for the energy and thought and time you invest in this effort. 

I think, especially with the prospect of having this hypertextual charter evolve over time, we are planting an important humanistic seed into the socio-technological soil that is the internet! 

Yours,
max
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