[IRP] WE NEED YOU - crucial phase of drafting Charter of HumanRights and Principles on the Internet
Emily Laidlaw
emily
Mon Oct 5 12:40:41 EEST 2009
Lisa,
I think that's a great approach. It will be very useful to have a draft
ready for IGF, because it is something tangible to show work has been done.
This will more effectively lure people into the group I think.:) Yet, this
charter will take time to redraft properly and I'd hate to see us rush
through it. Shall we all take a stab at the sections we have agreed to try
to re-write for our next meeting on the 15th?
Emily
On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 10:08 AM, Lisa Horner <lisa at global-partners.co.uk>wrote:
> Hi all
>
> Good idea Anja. I'm guessing that we can use the IRP meeting to re-launch,
> but maybe someone would be interested in organising an evening event or
> something?
>
> We agreed on the 2nd call on Friday that we shouldn't necessarily rush the
> process of redrafting the charter as it's important to get it right. I
> think that we can have a draft ready for the IGF, but that it won't
> necessarily be the final version. We talked in the IRP meeting in Geneva
> about making sure we get the language right, and about linking to other
> relevant texts etc which will take some time.
>
> So, on the call we discussed the option of presenting the charter at the
> IGF as a work in progress, and using it as an opportunity to get other
> people involved/garnering support. Does that make sense to people?
>
> All the best,
> Lisa
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org [mailto:
> irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] On Behalf Of Anja
> Kovacs
> Sent: 04 October 2009 18:31
> To: wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at
> Cc: Internet Rights Discussion Group; irp
> Subject: Re: [IRP] WE NEED YOU - crucial phase of drafting Charter of
> HumanRights and Principles on the Internet
>
> Hi Max, Wolfgang and all,
>
> Are there already any plans of having a re-launch event for the Charter
> at the IGF?
>
> And Wolfgang, do you think we could get the special rapporteur to lead
> the proceedings....? In terms of ensuring that people take notice, that
> might work quite well :)
>
> Cheers,
> Anja
>
> On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 18:11 +0200, wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at wrote:
> > Dear Max and others,
> >
> >
> >
> > please, keep in mind that we try to get some people from the Un human
> > rights system like the special rapporteur on freedom of expression to
> > the next IGF, who should then also be given the opportunity to serve
> > on pertinent panels.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> >
> >
> > Wolfgang
> >
> >
> >
> > Univ.-Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Benedek
> >
> > Institut f?r V?lkerrecht und Internationale Beziehungen
> >
> > Institute for International Law and International Relations
> >
> > Karl-Franzens-Universit?t Graz
> >
> > Universit?tsstra?e 15, A4
> >
> > A-8010 Graz
> >
> > Tel.: +43 316 380 3411
> >
> > Fax.: +43 316 380 9455
> >
> >
> >
> > Von:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org<Von%3Airp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
> > [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] Im Auftrag
> > von Max Senges
> > Gesendet: Sonntag, 04. Oktober 2009 17:13
> > An: Ian Peter; irp; Internet Rights Discussion Group
> > Betreff: Re: [IRP] WE NEED YOU - crucial phase of drafting Charter of
> > HumanRights and Principles on the Internet
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi folks
> >
> > Ian (who co-moderates the Internet Governance Caucus aka the mother of
> > all IG mailing lists) makes some interesting points below. I have
> > commented inline.
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Hi Max, nice to hear from you. A couple of things come to mind from
> > you writing.
> >
> > Firstly, we have chosen speakers for Sharm main sessions who will be
> > willing to advance the rights issue. It will be good to strategise
> > what else we might be able to do to advance the cause during the
> > meeting.
> >
> >
> >
> > One thing that comes to mind is that I am talking to avaaz.org I would
> > like to run some sort of campaign and come with a long list of people
> > who expressed that they care and are worried about their Human Rights
> > on the internet.
> >
> >
> >
> > Secondly, what else can we do during Sharm? I think we need to
> > make our presence felt on this issue.
> >
> > Anyway, to the text ? I?ll have a look later and make more
> > comments but the first thing that hit me was the use of both
> > net neutrality and end to end principles. I think we have to
> > be very careful here.
> >
> > Both end to end and net neutrality are retrofitted concepts
> > that some people continue to defend but neither of which
> > applies to the internet as is. I think we are better off
> > dropping both phrases as both are contentious ? the internet
> > is not end to end and never will be, and where net neutrality
> > starts to imply no traffic shaping, we are getting into
> > network management issues which we are best to avoid. The
> > Norwegians have got it right here ? I think we need to talk
> > about the rights to access content and applications of choice,
> > people understand that, and we avoid the technical debates and
> > opposition. Similarly with end to end ? lets express what we
> > are trying to achieve here and what the right is rather than
> > imagining that somehow an internet without firewalls is
> > suddenly going to happen or that?s the way it should be. In
> > other words, we have adopted catch phrases which don?t help
> > our cause and create confusion ? lets get what we are trying
> > to achieve here right!
> >
> >
> > Interesting point. I don't consider myself a technology expert on the
> > infrastructure level. But I did discuss net neutrality on a panel at
> > EuroDIG and my position is: Yes of course we need traffic management.
> > If there is too many people and the lines are cogested some stuff
> > (esp. real time apps like voice, etc.) need to be prioritized. But
> > there are two important aspects: A) It needs to be reasonable - as in
> > I want to know what and why: "your skype video has been disabled.
> > Please continue with voice only, because the XYZ backbone in Chile is
> > overloaded"
> > and B) the network must be open for innovation: As long as the data
> > can be transported using standard infrastructure (protokols), the net
> > infrastructure and the service providers should not have the
> > possibility to build walled gardens and only allow selected services.
> > (I thought we were about to overcome lock-in non-interoperable
> > enviornments like compuserve and AOL)
> >
> > my2cent
> > Max
> >
> >
> >
> > (Robert, happy for you to pass this on to the drafters ? I?ll
> > try to get to log in in a few days, but if that doesn?t happen
> > it would be good to have these thoughts considered).
> >
> > All the best,
> >
> >
> > Ian Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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