[IRP] WE NEED YOU - crucial phase of drafting Charter of HumanRights and Principles on the Internet

Mon Oct 5 12:08:22 EEST 2009

Hi all

Good idea Anja.  I'm guessing that we can use the IRP meeting to re-launch, but maybe someone would be interested in organising an evening event or something?

We agreed on the 2nd call on Friday that we shouldn't necessarily rush the process of redrafting the charter as it's important to get it right.  I think that we can have a draft ready for the IGF, but that it won't necessarily be the final version.  We talked in the IRP meeting in Geneva about making sure we get the language right, and about linking to other relevant texts etc which will take some time.  

So, on the call we discussed the option of presenting the charter at the IGF as a work in progress, and using it as an opportunity to get other people involved/garnering support.  Does that make sense to people?

All the best,
Lisa

-----Original Message-----
From: irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] On Behalf Of Anja Kovacs
Sent: 04 October 2009 18:31
To: wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at
Cc: Internet Rights Discussion Group; irp
Subject: Re: [IRP] WE NEED YOU - crucial phase of drafting Charter of HumanRights and Principles on the Internet

Hi Max, Wolfgang and all,

Are there already any plans of having a re-launch event for the Charter
at the IGF?  

And Wolfgang, do you think we could get the special rapporteur to lead
the proceedings....?  In terms of ensuring that people take notice, that
might work quite well :)

Cheers,
Anja

On Sun, 2009-10-04 at 18:11 +0200, wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at wrote:
> Dear Max and others,
> 
>  
> 
> please, keep in mind that we try to get some people from the Un human
> rights system like the special rapporteur on freedom of expression to
> the next IGF, who should then also be given the opportunity to serve
> on pertinent panels.
> 
>  
> 
> Kind regards
> 
>  
> 
> Wolfgang
> 
>  
> 
> Univ.-Prof. Dr. Wolfgang Benedek
> 
> Institut f?r V?lkerrecht und Internationale Beziehungen
> 
> Institute for International Law and International Relations
> 
> Karl-Franzens-Universit?t Graz
> 
> Universit?tsstra?e 15, A4
> 
> A-8010 Graz
> 
> Tel.: +43 316 380 3411
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> Fax.: +43 316 380 9455 
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> 
> Von:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] Im Auftrag
> von Max Senges
> Gesendet: Sonntag, 04. Oktober 2009 17:13
> An: Ian Peter; irp; Internet Rights Discussion Group
> Betreff: Re: [IRP] WE NEED YOU - crucial phase of drafting Charter of
> HumanRights and Principles on the Internet
> 
> 
>  
> 
> Hi folks
> 
> Ian (who co-moderates the Internet Governance Caucus aka the mother of
> all IG mailing lists) makes some interesting points below. I have
> commented inline. 
> 
> On Sun, Oct 4, 2009 at 3:21 AM, Ian Peter <ian.peter at ianpeter.com>
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Max, nice to hear from you. A couple of things come to mind from
> you writing.
> 
> Firstly, we have chosen speakers for Sharm main sessions who will be
> willing to advance the rights issue. It will be good to strategise
> what else we might be able to do to advance the cause during the
> meeting.
> 
> 
> 
> One thing that comes to mind is that I am talking to avaaz.org I would
> like to run some sort of campaign and come with a long list of people
> who expressed that they care and are worried about their Human Rights
> on the internet.  
>  
> 
> 
>         Secondly, what else can we do during Sharm? I think we need to
>         make our presence felt on this issue.
>         
>         Anyway, to the text ? I?ll have a look later and make more
>         comments but the first thing that hit me was the use of both
>         net neutrality and end to end principles. I think we have to
>         be very careful here.
>         
>         Both end to end and net neutrality are retrofitted concepts
>         that some people continue to defend but neither of which
>         applies to the internet as is. I think we are better off
>         dropping both phrases as both are contentious ? the internet
>         is not end to end and never will be, and where net neutrality
>         starts to imply no traffic shaping, we are getting into
>         network management issues which we are best to avoid. The
>         Norwegians have got it  right here ? I think we need to talk
>         about the rights to access content and applications of choice,
>         people understand that, and we avoid the technical debates and
>         opposition. Similarly with end to end ? lets express what we
>         are trying to achieve here and what the right is rather than
>         imagining that somehow an internet without firewalls is
>         suddenly going to happen or that?s the way it should be.  In
>         other words, we have adopted catch phrases which don?t help
>         our cause and create confusion ? lets get what we are trying
>         to achieve here right!
>         
>         
> Interesting point. I don't consider myself a technology expert on the
> infrastructure level. But I did discuss net neutrality on a panel at
> EuroDIG and my position is: Yes of course we need traffic management.
> If there is too many people and the lines are cogested some stuff
> (esp. real time apps like voice, etc.) need to be prioritized. But
> there are two important aspects: A) It needs to be reasonable - as in
> I want to know what and why: "your skype video has been disabled.
> Please continue with voice only, because the XYZ backbone in Chile is
> overloaded"
> and B) the network must be open for innovation: As long as the data
> can be transported using standard infrastructure (protokols), the net
> infrastructure and the service providers should not have the
> possibility to build walled gardens and only allow selected services.
> (I thought we were about to overcome lock-in non-interoperable
> enviornments like compuserve and AOL) 
> 
> my2cent
> Max
>  
> 
> 
>         (Robert, happy for you to pass this on to the drafters ? I?ll
>         try to get to log in in a few days, but if that doesn?t happen
>         it would be good to have these thoughts considered).
>         
>         All the best,
>         
>         
>         Ian Peter
>         
>          
>         
>         
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