[IRP] APC statement to denounce attacks on anonymous online speech by US gov

[Anriette Esterhuysen]

Hi all

Good points all. Agree with you Alon, but this statement has a
particular history. We cannot change much other than the heading though
as our statement is really mostly about supporting the statement, and
the views, of the APC member organisation, ISP MayFirst/PeopleLink.

So what we can do is to change the heading so that it reads

APC statement: [Progressive i]Internet rights organisations strongly
denounce attack on anonymous online speech by US government

OK under those circumstances to add IRP?

Anriette




On 24/04/12 18:55, Allon Bar wrote:
> Dear Anriette (and all),
> 
> Is it indeed your view that the FBI seized the server for the reason
> that these three organizations were supporting anonymous Internet use?
> If not: perhaps the wording can be focused on the outcome of anonymous
> Internet usage coming under serious threat, rather than the objective of
> the seizure being to threaten Internet anonymity (but of course that is
> my personal view, I don't mean to interfere with your organization's
> statements!).
> 
> I too believe that 'politically-progressive', even in this body text,
> risks making this denouncement focused on a political subsection (and as
> a consequence put users in that box as well), whereas the concern is one
> that should be shared with all. Unless you believe the organizations'
> progressive political stance was the reason for the FBI's interference.
> 
> Thanks for providing space to discuss the statement,
> 
> Allon
> 
> 
> On 4/24/12 6:31 PM, Anriette Esterhuysen wrote:
>> Hi all
>>
>> It is on our website with this heading.. but should not be a problem to
>> change the heading.
>>
>> But are you OK with this text in the body of the statement?
>>
>> "This week, three politically-progressive internet service providers and
>> hundreds of their users were attacked by the US Federal Bureau of
>> Investigation for supporting the use of the internet by anonymous users."
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 24/04/12 18:22, Lee W McKnight wrote:
>>> Agreed also with Norbert on asking for broader 'Internet RightsThis
>>> week, three politically-progressive internet service providers and
>>> hundreds of their users were attacked by the US Federal Bureau of
>>> Investigation for supporting the use of the internet by anonymous
>>> users. From their joint press release: Organizations' title.
>>>
>>> Lee *From:* irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> [irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] on behalf of
>>> Ginger Paque [gpaque at gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, April 24, 2012 11:57
>>> AM *To:* Dixie Hawtin *Cc:*
>>> irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org *Subject:* Re: [IRP] APC
>>> statement to denounce attacks on anonymous online speech by US gov
>>>
>>> Agree as well. Tx. gp
>>>
>>> Ginger (Virginia) Paque
>>>
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>>>
>>> On 24 April 2012 11:12, Dixie Hawtin<Dixie at global-partners.co.uk
>>> <mailto:Dixie at global-partners.co.uk>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> Great! Well, if everyone is happy I will let Mallory know that we
>>> would like to sign on (with feedback about use of the term
>>> "progressive").
>>>
>>> Let me know in the next couple of hours! Dixie
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>> irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> <mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
>>> [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> <mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>] On Behalf
>>> Of Marianne Franklin Sent: 24 April 2012 16:28 To: Norbert Bollow Cc:
>>> irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> <mailto:irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>  Subject: Re: [IRP]
>>> APC statement to denounce attacks on anonymous online speech by US
>>> gov
>>>
>>> + 1 from me too
>>>
>>> MF
>>>
>>> On Tue, April 24, 2012 16:00, Norbert Bollow wrote:
>>>> Dear all
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also agree with endorsing the statement.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Although I'm not totally happy about the word "progressive" in the
>>>> title. I tend to think that this is something that just about all
>>>> internet rights organisations (that have their heads screwed on
>>>> right) would want to strongly denounce, no matter whether they're
>>>> otherwise "progressive" or "conservative" or whatever.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings, Norbert
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dixie Hawtin<Dixie at global-partners.co.uk
>>> <mailto:Dixie at global-partners.co.uk>>  wrote:
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From:
>>>>> irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> <mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
>>>>> [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> <mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>] On
>>> Behalf
>>>>> Of Bodle, Robert Sent: 24 April 2012 15:41 To: Marianne Franklin;
>>>>> Meryem Marzouki Cc: IRP Subject: [IRP] APC statement to denounce
>>>>> attacks on anonymous online speech by US gov
>>>>>
>>>>> Can IRP endorse APC's statement: "Progressive internet rights
>>>>> organisations strongly denounce attack on anonymous online speech
>>>>> by US government"
>>>>> http://www.apc.org/en/news/apc-statement-progressive-internet-rights-
>>>> or
>>>>> ganisa
>>>>>
>>>>> "Indeed, throughout history, people's willingness to engage in
>>>>> debate on controversial subjects in the public sphere has always
>>>>> been linked to possibilities for doing so anonymously"  -Frank La
>>>>> Rue (2011)
>>>>>
>>>>> Best, robert
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Robert Bodle, PhD Associate Professor of Communication and New
>>>>> Media Studies College of Mount St. Joseph
>>>>> http://robertbodle.org/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
> 

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