[IRP] IRP Digest, Vol 31, Issue 15
Fri Aug 12 22:27:52 EEST 2011
>From Lima Per?, we'll manage the sending of a statement from the civil
society aligned to human rights, as have been proposed.
Ram?n Bayardo Mujica Zevallos
Abogado - Fedatario Juramentado Especialista en Inform?tica.
Asesor de la Direcci?n Acad?mica de la Academia de la Magistratura (
Miembro asociado de ISACA (www.isaca.org)
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> 1. FW: Rights not Copyrights! (michael gurstein)
> 2. Re: Problem of abject poverty and hunger (was Re: Call
> notes...) (M.I.Franklin)
> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 11 Aug 2011 17:07:59 -0700
> From: "michael gurstein" <gurstein at gmail.com>
> To: <irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
> Subject: [IRP] FW: Rights not Copyrights!
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: AccessNow [mailto:info at accessnow.org]
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 4:13 PM
> To: Michael Gurstein
> Subject: Rights not Copyrights!
> Dear Michael,
> Can you imagine having your internet cut off? That is exactly what is
> being proposed in Colombia for any person who is twice accused of copyright
> infringement. It's madness, but this type of law is being supported all
> the world by the entertainment industry lobbies, and Colombia is the latest
> battle where the line must be drawn.
> Besides containing a "two strikes" provision, the bill is being fastracked
> in the Colombian Congress, denying the users who it will affect a voice.
> That is why we need to move fast. Let's send the Colombian government and
> the copyrights lobby a message that they cannot ignore: our internet is our
> right and cannot be taken away by them or anyone else.
> Juan Manuel Galan, a popular senator, has the power to open up the
> legislative process so the Colombian Congress has time to hear from
> concerned citizens and the legal community, but it's going to take the
> support of a massive movement of users in order for him to feel empowered
> act. Please sign this urgent petition, which we'll deliver to Senator Galan
> before the Colombian Congress' next vote on this bill. If we manage to stop
> this law, it will be a watershed event in the fight for internet freedom.
> Add your name here:
> Not only would this law put the digital rights of Colombian citizens at
> risk, it would potentially harm people all over Latin America, as the
> proposed Colombian law is seen as a model for how countries in this region
> can comply with US Free Trade Agreements.
> Other people inside Colombia, like Senator Camilo Romero, are calling for
> open process and less rush to pass the law so that all of its implications
> can be considered, but with no history of citizen action around internet
> policy, it's going to take a global outcry for the Colombian Congress to
> answer the Colombian people's calls for real dialogue.
> This is literally the first time that citizens from Colombia have ever
> actively questioned the government or organized around a law affecting
> digital rights. The Colombian government needs to hear their voices and
> that the world is watching too!
> With hope,
> The Access Team
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> From: "M.I.Franklin" <cos02mf at gold.ac.uk>
> To: Graciela Selaimen <graciela at nupef.org.br>,
> irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> Subject: Re: [IRP] Problem of abject poverty and hunger (was Re:
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> Hi all
> Thanks Dixie for the update and summary of this current discussion;
> Obviously I'm all for members of/.in the coalition showing some palpable
> support for a crisis situation on the doorstep of the IGF this year by way
> of donations; as long as there is a clear consensus here.
> Also, happy to help with some sort of statement; perhaps Robert, Mike G,
> Graciela and I could see what we come up with and then post for conferral
> (the usual approach to date); have been doing some homework re. the
> actually situation and links between IG issues and the current - and
> longer-term situation. It would be great to have some input from anyone of
> the list with experience/knowledge about ICT and refugee camps to help
> here. I do know from a research student of mine that here this is a
> disconnect; or rather a silence in the literature....
> As its the summer holidays for many and we have some time before the
> actually IGF, I would also support waiting to hear from more coalition
> --On Thursday, August 11, 2011 14:13 -0300 Graciela Selaimen
> <graciela at nupef.org.br> wrote:
> > Totally agree.
> > I'm keen to helping formulate the statement.
> > best
> > Graciela
> > Em 8/11/11 1:27 PM, michael gurstein escreveu:
> >> I won't be (financially) able to attend in Nairobi but I think that the
> >> IRP (and the overall IGC) should take the opportunity to make the
> >> connection between Internet governance, Internet Rights and Principles,
> >> economic and social development and Internet practice on the ground
> >> (including in response to emergency relief issues and practices in Kenya
> >> and the region and longer term developmental initiatives).
> >> My thought is that the best intervention that can be made is to raise
> >> pursue the issue of the connection between all of thsese within the
> >> context of the IGF including vigourously making these connections in all
> >> appropriate venues.
> >> Developing and circulating an appropriate sign-on statement concerning
> >> these matters would seem to me to be the most potentially useful form
> >> that our interest and commitment could take and I would be prepared to
> >> spend a bit of time with others formulating such a statement if that was
> >> the will of this group.
> >> Best to all,
> >> Mike
> >> Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
> >> Director: Centre for Community Informatics Research, Development and
> >> Training (CCIRDT)
> >> Vancouver, CANADA
> >> http://www.communityinformatics.net
> >> Now blogging at http://gurstein.wordpress.com/
> >> Tweating at @michaelgurstein
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> >> [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] On Behalf Of
> >> Tapani Tarvainen
> >> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 2:46 AM
> >> To: irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> >> Subject: Re: [IRP] Problem of abject poverty and hunger (was Re: Call
> >> notes...)
> >> On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:36:06AM +0200, Norbert Bollow (nb at bollow.ch)
> >> wrote:
> >>> Tapani Tarvainen<tapani.tarvainen at effi.org> wrote:
> >>>> I thought this list was about Internet Rights and Principles, where
> >>>> development agenda of any kind is not primary at all, certainly not
> >>>> more so than many other IG issues.
> >>> Hmm... I would argue that internet rights and principles are not
> >>> important in and of themselves in some ideological way, but they're
> >>> important because of their importance for fundamental human rights and
> >>> needs.
> >> Of course, I agree with that 100%.
> >> But "development" has a rather different meaning or at
> >> least connotation in this context, it is not equivalent
> >> with human rights and their improvement, even though
> >> there is overlap.
> >>> We cannot engage with every specific local and temporary situation, as
> >>> it's impossible to achieve anything unless there is focus on
> >>> something, and this coalition has chosen to focus on the "big picture"
> >>> aspect of rights and principles.
> >> Well, rights and especially principles kind of are the big picture.
> >> the group (as its name implies) is concerned with _Internet_ rights and
> >> principles, not all human rights&c.
> >>> That is good. But in our focus on this, I believe we still need to be
> >>> informed by actually engaging, in some genuine way, with the important
> >>> problems that internet rights and principles can contribute to
> >>> solving.
> >> Agreed, again. But they can't necessarily contribute to all important
> >> problems - Internet is not directly involved in every crisis, even if it
> >> can be used as a tool in them, and all practical applications of the
> >> Internet do not have specific relevance to rights and principles.
> >> We should keep our focus narrow enough to keep the work manageable. If
> >> move from evaluating the rights and principles, considering their
> >> applicability and relevance&c, to actually doing everything where they
> >> matter, we'll have all the worlds problems in our hands, and the group
> >> could be renamed "do everything good -group".
> >>> ICT can potentially be used to make some of those who are rich and
> >>> powerful today even more rich and powerful, while exploiting everyone
> >>> else and increasing poverty and hunger as a side effect. On the other
> >>> hand, ICT can also potentially be used to empower those who today live
> >>> in unacceptable conditions to truly satisfactory economic and
> >>> spiritual development. How can humanity choose the latter path of
> >>> development over the former? By means of wisely choosing and
> >>> establishing the right Internet Rights and Principles!
> >> Yes. We should indeed analyze our rights and principles in
> >> that light, all the way down to recommending courses of action in
> >> practical situations, but actually engaging in them should be left to
> >> other organizations, which hopefully will adopt our work as their
> >> principles (and indeed which may be composed of partly same people as
> >> this group).
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