[IRP] FW: Charter of Human Rights and Principles for the Internet
Max Senges
maxsenges
Wed Aug 18 16:51:50 EEST 2010
Hi folks,
I hurried and returned from the pamir mountains early in order to join our
call tomorrow :-)
A big thanks to Wolfgang and the other experts for developing the latest
version of the charter.
I have added some first personal comments and some language to the google
doc and am in the process to consult with some colleagues.
Section 1
https://docs1.google.com/document/edit?id=10dSNV0OMkFEZ3KrVDWCXou1an6gJP6uqJQeZPYlHCAo&hl=en&authkey=CIWByMwN#
Section 2
https://spreadsheets2.google.com/ccc?key=tGANSnLsqQuRjiuEGsGUJkg&hl=en#gid=0(please
hover over the cells with an orange triangle)
Looking forward to the call tomorrow.
Max
"The future is not what it used to be"
Karl Valentin
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Max Senges
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On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 12:01 PM, M I Franklin <cos02mf at gold.ac.uk> wrote:
> Dear All
>
> Unfortunately I'm unable to attend tomorrow's meeting due to another
> engagement though I might manage to be there for the last part.
>
> Have read the latest version of the charter with great interest.
> Congratulations to Wolfgang. Meryem, and Rikke for all their work and
> expertise in producing this working document.
>
> I have some brief comments/queries for the discussion tomorrow based on
> the current version and points raised by others in terms of language and
> wording.
>
> 1) the Title; The Charter, and its sister-documents (e.g. APC Charter, Bill
> of Rights) have run with several sorts of word combinations in their titles;
> Internet Rights; Internet Rights and Principles; Human Rights and Principles
> for the Internet.
>
> I'm not a legal expert but wording, and word-order does matter in this
> setting so I'm interested to hear more about the current title-wording in
> view of tactical issues around 'human rights' being a red flag for certain
> stakeholders. ;
>
> 2) I concur with the need to talk about 'digital inclusion' vs. 'digital
> divide'. However, the latter does exist so need this be an either/or choice?
>
> 3) I defer to the expertise of Michael G., Ben W., Wolfgang and others
> about FoE and privacy wording.
>
> 4) Thinking ahead in terms of how terms of reference/technologies change
> (e.g. inroads being made by mobile internet communications) I was wondering
> what the shelf-life was of the term 'Internet'; would it be possible to
> delineate this term a bit more in the preamble?
>
> 5) re. the discussion about 'people' vs. 'citizens' vs. 'users'; The first
> is the most flexible as it encompasses communities and individuals; those
> who can/want to access and use the internet as well as those who don't .
> Btw, 'netizens' is a term that is also in use in some quarters.
>
> 6) On ownership; I concur with Wolfgang's point; the Charter needs to be
> launched and made available to a wide range of parties if it is to gain any
> so a bottom-up approach is all the better.
>
> Looking forward to reading the minutes for tomorrow; Is there any chance of
> recording this meeting - does HiDef Conferencing allow for this?
>
> All the best
> MF
>
>
> --On Tuesday, August 17, 2010 17:21 +0200 Anriette Esterhuysen <
> anriette at apc.org> wrote:
>
> Dear Lisa and others
>>
>> I have been meaning to ask why the language 'Digital divide' was
>> introduced. We never used it in the APC IR Charter.
>>
>> As Michael points out, the term digital inclusion has been preferred by
>> most organisations working in developing countries for the last 10
>> years.
>>
>> Michael's language is perhaps a bit long.. but I think it contains
>> important points so forms a good basis.
>>
>> The challenge with the term digital inclusion is that it relates to so
>> many different rights but accessibility and affordability are
>> fundamental
>>
>> Best
>>
>> Anriette
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 2010-08-17 at 15:53 +0100, Lisa Horner wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Please see salient comments below from Michael concerning digital
>>> inclusion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Looking forward to conference call to discuss all comments this
>>> Thursday 19th at 15.00 UK/16.00 CET. Please could you let me know if
>>> you are planning to join? Please also try to submit all comments in
>>> writing by the end of tomorrow (Wednesday) so that we can collate them
>>> and discuss them systematically during the call.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the best,
>>>
>>> Lisa
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: Michael Gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com]
>>> Sent: 15 August 2010 15:20
>>> To: Lisa Horner
>>> Subject: RE: [IRP] Charter of Human Rights and Principles for the
>>> Internet
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Lisa,
>>>
>>>
>>> Below I suggest some (unfortunately still
>>> awkward) alternative language under the "Overcoming the
>>> Digital Divide" section I.2.c as below (including changing the
>>> heading) . The term Digital Inclusion is now coming into
>>> more general use than Digital Divide based in part on a
>>> recognition that there will always (in a fractal world) be
>>> "divides" while broad based "inclusion" while difficult is
>>> achievable. The notion of the "digital divide" also
>>> (inappropriately) tends to disempower and imply dependency on
>>> the part of those on the "wrong" side or the "divide".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Ensuring Digital Inclusion
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> An Internet based society and economy requires that all have
>>> an equal opportunity for active and effective participation in
>>> and through the Internet. To this end active support should
>>> be available for self-managed and other community
>>> based facilities and services to ensure universal digital
>>> inclusion . Digital inclusion requires the opportunity for
>>> access to, and effective use of the range of digital media,
>>> communication platforms and devices for information management
>>> and processing.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> To ensure the opportunity for universal digital access and
>>> use, among the measures that must be put in place are public
>>> internet access points located (with easy physical and
>>> disability oriented design access ) in among other
>>> locations, telecentres, libraries, community centers, clinics
>>> or schools. This must be accompanied by support for the
>>> effective use of this access as well as access obtained via
>>> mobile media. This would be provided
>>> through appropriate training, social and organizational
>>> mediation and facilitation, and design and governance
>>> regimes including support for the use of the range of Internet
>>> enabled services such as e-government, e-education, e-health
>>> and facilitation and support for locally based initiatives and
>>> participation in content creation, e-governance, service
>>> design and delivery and other.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> (Note that I've included here a brief mention of mobile
>>> Internet access... I notice that the overall document seems
>>> rather to ignore mobile Internet which is emerging as the
>>> dominant Internet access means in many parts of the world.
>>> I'm not exactly sure how that impacts on other parts of this
>>> document but as the document proceeds it should be done in
>>> full awareness of the potential of this as an issue.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best to all,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael Gurstein, Ph.D.
>>> Director: Centre for Community Informatics Research,
>>> Development and Training
>>> Vancouver, CANADA
>>> http://www.communityinformatics.net
>>> CA tel. +1-604-602-0624
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>> --
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> anriette esterhuysen -
>> ?executive director
>>
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