[IRPCoalition] [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU Plenipot joint recommendations

[McTim]

No, you may not.

Just because no one is keen to keep rebutting all your "slanging" it
doesn't mean that we all agree with you.

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 8:59 AM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com> wrote:
> Perhaps we can assume here that silence is consent.
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> From: michael gurstein [mailto:gurstein at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 6:51 AM
> To: 'Sivasubramanian M'
> Cc: 'Avri Doria'; 'Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net';
> governance at lists.igcaucus.org; IRP; forum at justnetcoalition.org
> Subject: RE: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU
> Plenipot joint recommendations
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> Thanks for this Sivasubramanian…
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> Can I/we take this i.e. that MSism (governance by self-appointed elites) is
> the “next evolutionary stage of democracy” is a generally agreed upon
> position among the proponents of MSism?
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> From: Sivasubramanian M [mailto:isolatedn at gmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 6:12 AM
> To: michael gurstein
> Cc: Avri Doria; Bits bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
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> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU
> Plenipot joint recommendations
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> Dear Michael Gurstein,
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> The definitions are reconciled when the multistakeholder model is viewed as
> the next phase of evolution of Democracy, and in this phase, it is in its
> initial stages of evolution with some aspects being defined.
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> +1 (213) 300 8293 Oct 11-19 2014
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> On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 12:57 PM, michael gurstein <gurstein at gmail.com>
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> You can of course a la the Lewis Carroll’s the Queen of Hearts define
> anything you like as whatever you like but I’m very curious how your
> reconcile the current practice of MSism with this definition of
> Participatory Democracy (from Wikipedia
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> Participatory democracy is a process emphasizing the broad participation of
> constituents in the direction and operation of political systems.
> Etymological roots of democracy (Greek demos and kratos) imply that the
> people are in power and thus that all democracies are participatory. …
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> Participatory democracy strives to create opportunities for all members of a
> population to make meaningful contributions to decision-making, and seeks to
> broaden the range of people who have access to such opportunities.
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> It seems to me that decision making a la MSism by self-appointed elites
> (corporates, their governmental allies and whomever else they choose to
> participate) hardly qualifies as “creat(ing) opportunities for all members
> of a population to make meaningful contributions to decision-making”.
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> But maybe I’m missing something.
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> From: bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net
> [mailto:bestbits-request at lists.bestbits.net] On Behalf Of Avri Doria
> Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2014 12:34 PM
> To: bestbits at lists.bestbits.net
> Subject: Re: [bestbits] Time-sensitive: 24 hour sign on period for ITU
> Plenipot joint recommendations
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> On 23-Oct-14 08:20, michael gurstein wrote:
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>  If you take a look at my blog both the current post and several of the
> earlier ones you will see my argument that MSism is being presented as a
> form of global governance in competition with democratic governance.
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> I haven't read your blog.  But I always define multistakeholderism (m17m) as
> a form of participatory democracy that builds on the representative
> democracy that some few nations have put into effect as well as the
> bottom-up organic coming together of stakeholders, who sometime aggregate
> into stakeholder groups, on a particular theme.  I define it as a form of
> democracy somewhere between basic representative democracy and full direct
> democracy.
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> I think many other accept some form of the m17m is a form of participatory
> democracy definition.  So the frames of reference are really quite
> different.
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> avri
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McTim
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