[IRP] [governance] Declaration of Internet Freedom

Tue Jul 10 05:52:06 EEST 2012

Thanks. I don't know enough about the different spaces and processes to
really judge. My initial thoughts are that there are some legit criticisms
about the Internet declaration process. That said, I'm not sure that there
has ever been a fully public, online, global consultation on what the
guiding the principles of the Internet should be - or at least not a
broad-based one - that's what I'm trying to figured out though. It sounds
like like IGF process was far more broad-based and indepth than what has
happened so far with the declaration, but I wonder how many general
Internet users were engaged in that process.

I also think the net declaration has been a bit miscommunicated. They've
asked people to sign on, but also said it's not the end of the process of
developing the principles. So it appears to be too soon to judge it
entirely -- maybe they'll incorporate the the work others have done before
they fully finalize their process. In fact, while it's maybe not that
clear, it's been my understanding that they are not finished the
development process.

These are initial thoughts only - I'm just learning what everyone has done
in this space both with the declaration and with others in the past. I'm
generally really glad this is being worked on and I think the intentions
are good all the way around.

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On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:37 PM, Katitza Rodriguez <katitza at eff.org> wrote:

>  Steve:
>
> I guess you can find some videos at the IGF meetings's website.  Here are
> EDRI's reactions to the principle:
> www.edri.org/edrigram/number9.7/10-internet-principles-rights If you
> search for it, there might be others writing about it too.
>
> If not, Dixie or Meryem Marzouki if you have some time, it will be great
> if you can document the process. It would be good for Steve and others.
> Unfortunately, I only followed the privacy principle (and not the other
> ones closely) so I'm not the best person to do so.
>
> Steve: what are your thoughts about this overall Internet Principles
> discussion?
>
>
>
> On 7/9/12 7:18 PM, Steve Anderson wrote:
>
> Thanks for Katitza. If anyone has info on how the online/offline
> consultations happened that were public I'd love to see that - maybe
> there's a link(s) to where stuff happened online somewhere apart from
> mailing lists?
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> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Katitza Rodriguez <katitza at eff.org> wrote:
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>>  Hola Steve,
>>
>> Nice to see you on this list. : )
>>
>> The process was held in several lists and online communities in a very
>> messy way as civil society groups from around the world ended up working
>> towards this common work.  The IRP principles was based upon a previous
>> work done by APC, an international network of NGOS mostly from developing
>> countries. The drafting of the text last several years (Dixie: how many
>> years?).  There were several fights among coalition (and non coalition)
>> members, and take a lot of time to be able to get to know each other as to
>> understand all the different agendas and substantive opinions of each of
>> the participants.  In addition, there were several discussion in situ at
>> several annual UN Internet Governace Forum meetings as well as regional IG
>> meetings like EURodig or others national venues.
>>
>> For instance, Lisa Horner share with me and several NGOs the privacy
>> principle, including CIPPIC (Canada) or EDRI.org or Privacy International,
>> EPIC (I was working for them at that moment), EFF.org or Australia Privacy
>> Foundation to name a few. There were several discussions on the wording, as
>> she moved forward the debates in several online places (mainly this list).
>>
>> I know there were tons of consultations and the process took a lot of
>> time, but I believe others can explain better the process!
>>
>> Best, K
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/9/12 6:28 PM, Steve Anderson wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Dixie, great to hear more about this - sounds like a lot of work
>> was put into this process!  Does anyone know if there was an online public
>> consultation process? And if so where I could see it?
>>
>>  Thanks to all who have been a part of this.
>>
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>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Dixie Hawtin <Dixie at global-partners.co.uk
>> > wrote:
>>
>>>  Hi again,
>>>
>>> It's been brought to my attention that I may have underplayed the level
>>> of discussion about the 10 IRPs - the Charter is the result of an extremely
>>> broad consultation process (spanning years) both online and offline, with
>>> input from different stakeholder groups and in different parts of the
>>> world. The 10 IRPs too were shared widely outside of the Coalition,
>>> particularly with experts on each of the principles - for example the
>>> privacy article was shared with many privacy experts and there were several
>>> consultation with different communities. The huge discussions were both
>>> valuable for making the Charter so extensive and the 10 IRPs so precise -
>>> they were also extremely valuable in themselves for bringing together
>>> different communities!
>>>
>>> Very best,
>>> Dixie
>>>
>>>  ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Dixie Hawtin
>>> *Sent:* 09 July 2012 16:07
>>> *To:* Steve Anderson; Marianne Franklin
>>> *Cc:* irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> *Subject:* RE: [IRP] [governance] Declaration of Internet Freedom
>>>
>>>   Hi Steve and welcome to the list!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> There isn?t a formal methodology (although if any of our academic
>>> members have written an overview please do share!)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The 10 IRPs came directly out of the Charter (A very broad overview ?
>>> including previous versions ? can be found here:
>>> http://irpcharter.org/charter/)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Version 1.0 of the Charter was launched at the 2010 IGF in Lithuania.
>>> During discussions a number of Coalition members felt that we needed a
>>> shorter ?punchier? advocacy document. A working group was formed within the
>>> Coalition of: Karmen Turk, Brett Solomon, Shaila Mistry, Henrik Almstrom,
>>> Carlos Affonso, Jochai Ben-Avie, Lisa Horner and me. We worked over email
>>> to distil the Charter down to 10 key principles. This was then shared with
>>> the wider Coalition and we had an email discussion on the principles and
>>> incorporated various changes. The 10 Internet Rights and Principles
>>> were launched at the second expert meeting on "Freedom of Expression and
>>> the Internet" in Stockholm, convened on 30-31 March 2011 by the Swedish
>>> Ministry for Foreign Affairs. Then many volunteers from around the world
>>> came forward and translated these into 21 more languages (all of which can
>>> be found here: http://irpcharter.org/campaign/)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Dixie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org [mailto:
>>> irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] *On Behalf Of *Steve
>>> Anderson
>>> *Sent:* 09 July 2012 12:29
>>> *To:* Marianne Franklin
>>> *Cc:* irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>>> *Subject:* Re: [IRP] [governance] Declaration of Internet Freedom
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all, new to the list. Can someone tell me or point to me to where I
>>> can find the methodology for developing the  IRP ten principles?
>>> Curious about how these were developed.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> best,
>>>
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>>>  On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Marianne Franklin <
>>> m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk> wrote:
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>>> Dear All
>>>
>>> Thought I'd respond to some recent posts.
>>>
>>> 1) Declarations; I take Jeremy's point, and Wolfganga's. The mushrooming
>>> of declarations, charters and the like is perhaps a sign of some critical
>>> mass building.
>>>
>>> That said, the Declaration of Internet Freedom;
>>> http://www.internetdeclaration.org/freedom, boils the IRP Ten Punchy
>>> Principles, which already brought the original 3-tier Charter down to 10,
>>> down to 5 points. At this rate we could well see the IRP Charter or
>>> something similar fitting into a tweet!
>>>
>>> The IRP DC has yet to sign up to this Declaration. I move that we join
>>> it as I can see no reason why not.
>>>
>>> 2) As for the IRP website. I hope we can resolve this as having a
>>> defunct website is not good for business so to speak.
>>>
>>> 3) Re. Max's initiative. I have read and responded for my part!
>>>
>>> best
>>> MF
>>>
>>> On 04/07/2012 04:13, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>>
>>> On 03/07/12 20:46, Benedek, Wolfgang (wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at)
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>  What I wanted to point out as well is that we already have two more
>>> declarations under this name, the Geneva Declaration on Internet Freedom of
>>> 2010 by a group of NGOs
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you have a link for that?  I found
>>> http://www.genevasummit.org/media/20, but it is dead, nor is it on
>>> archive.org.
>>>
>>>
>>>  and the Guiding Principles of Internet Freedom of 2012 by Praxis think
>>> tank of Estonia, which are both more elaborate.
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, I added this to the links page at http://igcaucus.org/links and
>>> added years.  Am I still missing any?  Feel free to add this list to the
>>> IRP site too, or better, link to the IGC's copy.  BTW, does everyone know
>>> that the IRP's main website is down (but the charter site is up)?  Not sure
>>> about the mailing list, but I'm cc'ing to it in case it is up.
>>>
>>>
>>>  It would be good to bring all these initiatives together and the DC on
>>> Internet Rights and Principles would be a suitable place for doing so.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, people seem prefer to work in parallel which might limit
>>> the effects of such efforts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed.  Part of the problem is that whereas there are strong global
>>> action networks on issues like IP and the environment, in IG we have only
>>> the IGC, and it is invisible to (or at least ignored by) large parts of the
>>> Internet activist community.
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