[IRP] [governance] Declaration of Internet Freedom
Katitza Rodriguez
katitza
Tue Jul 10 05:23:43 EEST 2012
Check all the videos of the IGF meetings (are they recorded Dixie), or
Eurodig.. there might be videos. there is also a wiki? or something
alike with the different version of the documents? there were just
traditional draft after draft document..
most of the time I put on this was on the privacy principle (short
version) and was held mostly on email discussion.
On 7/9/12 7:18 PM, Steve Anderson wrote:
> Thanks for Katitza. If anyone has info on how the online/offline
> consultations happened that were public I'd love to see that - maybe
> there's a link(s) to where stuff happened online somewhere apart from
> mailing lists?
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> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 7:14 PM, Katitza Rodriguez <katitza at eff.org
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> Hola Steve,
>
> Nice to see you on this list. : )
>
> The process was held in several lists and online communities in a
> very messy way as civil society groups from around the world ended
> up working towards this common work. The IRP principles was based
> upon a previous work done by APC, an international network of NGOS
> mostly from developing countries. The drafting of the text last
> several years (Dixie: how many years?). There were several fights
> among coalition (and non coalition) members, and take a lot of
> time to be able to get to know each other as to understand all the
> different agendas and substantive opinions of each of the
> participants. In addition, there were several discussion in situ
> at several annual UN Internet Governace Forum meetings as well as
> regional IG meetings like EURodig or others national venues.
>
> For instance, Lisa Horner share with me and several NGOs the
> privacy principle, including CIPPIC (Canada) or EDRI.org or
> Privacy International, EPIC (I was working for them at that
> moment), EFF.org or Australia Privacy Foundation to name a few.
> There were several discussions on the wording, as she moved
> forward the debates in several online places (mainly this list).
>
> I know there were tons of consultations and the process took a lot
> of time, but I believe others can explain better the process!
>
> Best, K
>
>
>
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> On 7/9/12 6:28 PM, Steve Anderson wrote:
>> Thanks Dixie, great to hear more about this - sounds like a lot
>> of work was put into this process! Does anyone know if there was
>> an online public consultation process? And if so where I could
>> see it?
>>
>> Thanks to all who have been a part of this.
>>
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>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Dixie Hawtin
>> <Dixie at global-partners.co.uk
>> <mailto:Dixie at global-partners.co.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi again,
>> It's been brought to my attention that I may have underplayed
>> the level of discussion about the 10 IRPs - the Charter is
>> the result of an extremely broad consultation process
>> (spanning years) both online and offline, with input from
>> different stakeholder groups and in different parts of the
>> world. The 10 IRPs too were shared widely outside of the
>> Coalition, particularly with experts on each of the
>> principles - for example the privacy article was shared with
>> many privacy experts and there were several consultation with
>> different communities. The huge discussions were both
>> valuable for making the Charter so extensive and the 10 IRPs
>> so precise - they were also extremely valuable in themselves
>> for bringing together different communities!
>> Very best,
>> Dixie
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* Dixie Hawtin
>> *Sent:* 09 July 2012 16:07
>> *To:* Steve Anderson; Marianne Franklin
>> *Cc:* irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>> <mailto:irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
>> *Subject:* RE: [IRP] [governance] Declaration of Internet Freedom
>>
>> Hi Steve and welcome to the list!
>>
>> There isn?t a formal methodology (although if any of our
>> academic members have written an overview please do share!)
>>
>> The 10 IRPs came directly out of the Charter (A very broad
>> overview ? including previous versions ? can be found here:
>> http://irpcharter.org/charter/)
>>
>> Version 1.0 of the Charter was launched at the 2010 IGF in
>> Lithuania. During discussions a number of Coalition members
>> felt that we needed a shorter ?punchier? advocacy document. A
>> working group was formed within the Coalition of: Karmen
>> Turk, Brett Solomon, Shaila Mistry, Henrik Almstrom, Carlos
>> Affonso, Jochai Ben-Avie, Lisa Horner and me. We worked over
>> email to distil the Charter down to 10 key principles. This
>> was then shared with the wider Coalition and we had an email
>> discussion on the principles and incorporated various
>> changes. The 10 Internet Rights and Principles were launched
>> at the second expert meeting on "Freedom of Expression and
>> the Internet" in Stockholm, convened on 30-31 March 2011 by
>> the Swedish Ministry for Foreign Affairs. Then many
>> volunteers from around the world came forward and translated
>> these into 21 more languages (all of which can be found here:
>> http://irpcharter.org/campaign/)
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Dixie
>>
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>> *On Behalf Of *Steve Anderson
>> *Sent:* 09 July 2012 12:29
>> *To:* Marianne Franklin
>> *Cc:* irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
>> <mailto:irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [IRP] [governance] Declaration of Internet Freedom
>>
>> Hi all, new to the list. Can someone tell me or point to me
>> to where I can find the methodology for developing the IRP
>> ten principles? Curious about how these were developed.
>>
>> best,
>>
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>> On Mon, Jul 9, 2012 at 4:22 AM, Marianne Franklin
>> <m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk <mailto:m.i.franklin at gold.ac.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear All
>>
>> Thought I'd respond to some recent posts.
>>
>> 1) Declarations; I take Jeremy's point, and Wolfganga's. The
>> mushrooming of declarations, charters and the like is perhaps
>> a sign of some critical mass building.
>>
>> That said, the Declaration of Internet Freedom;
>> http://www.internetdeclaration.org/freedom, boils the IRP Ten
>> Punchy Principles, which already brought the original 3-tier
>> Charter down to 10, down to 5 points. At this rate we could
>> well see the IRP Charter or something similar fitting into a
>> tweet!
>>
>> The IRP DC has yet to sign up to this Declaration. I move
>> that we join it as I can see no reason why not.
>>
>> 2) As for the IRP website. I hope we can resolve this as
>> having a defunct website is not good for business so to speak.
>>
>> 3) Re. Max's initiative. I have read and responded for my part!
>>
>> best
>> MF
>>
>> On 04/07/2012 04:13, Jeremy Malcolm wrote:
>>
>> On 03/07/12 20:46, Benedek, Wolfgang
>> (wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at
>> <mailto:wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at>) wrote:
>>
>> What I wanted to point out as well is that we already
>> have two more declarations under this name, the Geneva
>> Declaration on Internet Freedom of 2010 by a group of NGOs
>>
>>
>> Do you have a link for that? I found
>> http://www.genevasummit.org/media/20
>> <http://www.genevasummit.org/media/20>, but it is dead, nor
>> is it on archive.org <http://archive.org>.
>>
>>
>> and the Guiding Principles of Internet Freedom of 2012 by
>> Praxis think tank of Estonia, which are both more elaborate.
>>
>>
>> Thanks, I added this to the links page at
>> http://igcaucus.org/links <http://igcaucus.org/links> and
>> added years. Am I still missing any? Feel free to add this
>> list to the IRP site too, or better, link to the IGC's copy.
>> BTW, does everyone know that the IRP's main website is down
>> (but the charter site is up)? Not sure about the mailing
>> list, but I'm cc'ing to it in case it is up.
>>
>>
>> It would be good to bring all these initiatives together and
>> the DC on Internet Rights and Principles would be a suitable
>> place for doing so.
>>
>> Unfortunately, people seem prefer to work in parallel which
>> might limit the effects of such efforts.
>>
>>
>> Indeed. Part of the problem is that whereas there are strong
>> global action networks on issues like IP and the environment,
>> in IG we have only the IGC, and it is invisible to (or at
>> least ignored by) large parts of the Internet activist community.
>>
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