[IRP] Fwd: Re: Call for support - Brazilian civil rights framework in Congress

Tue Aug 7 18:15:01 EEST 2012

Thank you, Dixie and IRP for the support.  We will surely keep you updated.
Kind regards,
Joana

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Centro de Tecnologia e Sociedade (CTS-FGV)
http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts/
 <https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/goog_946507056> www.freenetfilm.org
@joana_varon

On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Dixie Hawtin
<Dixie at global-partners.co.uk>wrote:

> All responses on list and privately have been in support of signing on to
> the statement in support of the Marco Civil ? Joana please add us to the
> list ? and good luck tomorrow, please keep us up to date with how it goes!
> ****
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> Tomorrow we will sign on to the Internet Freedom Declaration too ? the
> responses have steadied now but there have been a good show of support both
> publicly on the list and in private emails.****
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> Good work IRP! ****
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> Best, Dixie****
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org [mailto:
> irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org] On Behalf Of Carlos A.
> Afonso
> Sent: 07 August 2012 15:44
> To: parminder
> Cc: irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org
> Subject: Re: [IRP] Fwd: Re: Call for support - Brazilian civil rights
> framework in Congress
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> Yes, indeed, fine tuning will happen anyway, since this is a legal
> framework, not a bill of law detailing all legal and regulatory procedures.
> But if the "marco" passes Congress, wow, that will be a tremendous
> achievement.****
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> ** **
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> fraternal regards****
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> ** **
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> --c.a.****
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> ** **
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> On 08/07/2012 07:40 AM, parminder wrote:****
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> > ****
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> > ****
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> > i support IRP endorsing Brazilian Marco Civil - process and substance. *
> ***
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> > A truly remarkable and outstanding achievement..****
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> > ****
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> > Although I agree it may yet have to go through fine tuning for ****
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> > instance with regard to some valid issues raised by Marcelo.****
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> > ****
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> > parminder****
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> > ****
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> > On Tuesday 07 August 2012 03:23 PM, Dixie Hawtin wrote:****
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> >>** **
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> >> Hi all --****
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> >>** **
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> >> *Re: signing on to the Internet Freedom Declaration*-- so far there ***
> *
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> >> has been unanimous support for signing on to the Declaration ****
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> >> (although with some reservations about the process and content of ****
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> >> that Declaration -- nonetheless the consensus appears to be that it ***
> *
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> >> is an important initiative to join and support). I'll keep that call **
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> >> open until tomorrow so if anyone else wants to throw your opinion in, *
> ***
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> >> do so now, otherwise we will sign on tomorrow!****
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> >>** **
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> >> *Re: Marco Civil *-- from my perspective too this has been a truly ****
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> >> remarkable initiative and a very inspiring example of how the ****
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> >> democratic process can work in the internet era. Notwithstanding the **
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> >> important points made by Marcelo, this is another important flagship **
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> >> initiative that we could really support_if_ we can move quickly ****
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> >> (given that the vote is coming to the National Congress tomorrow!) If *
> ***
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> >> you would like the IRP to sign on please respond and _say so in the ***
> *
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> >> next 5 hours (by 4pm BST)_ and if there is rough consensus I will let *
> ***
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> >> CTS-FGV know.****
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> >>** **
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> >> Thanks!****
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> >>** **
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> >> Dixie****
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> >>** **
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> >> *From:*irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org****
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> >> [mailto:irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org<irp-bounces at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>]
> *On Behalf ****
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> >> Of *Marcelo Thompson****
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> >> *Sent:* 07 August 2012 10:21****
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> >> *To:* Marilia Maciel****
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> >> *Cc:* igcbp-talk at googlegroups.com; irp; governance at lists.igcaucus.org**
> **
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> >> *Subject:* Re: [IRP] Call for support - Brazilian civil rights ****
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> >> framework in Congress****
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> >>** **
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> >> Dear All,****
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> >>** **
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> >> As a Brazilian, I could not be prouder of what my colleagues have ****
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> >> accomplished. If you have not heard of Marco Civil by now (what I ****
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> >> trust is highly unlikely), the first thing you may like to learn is ***
> *
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> >> that Marco Civil is the outcome of a truly democratic process, be it **
> **
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> >> in terms of the wealth of good intentions reflected in it, be it in ***
> *
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> >> terms of the range of social actors that have been able not only to ***
> *
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> >> contribute to the final text, which is common, but to be heard, which *
> ***
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> >> is rare indeed.****
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> >>** **
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> >> If I may, I would strongly endorse the plea of my friends from the ****
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> >> CTS-FGV in asking the international community to support Marco Civil.**
> **
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> >>** **
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> >> At the same time, however, I would /also/ like to bring to your ****
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> >> attention what I trust to be quite an ink of stain in an otherwise ****
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> >> excellent initiative. The intermediary liability provision, which is **
> **
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> >> explained in the attachment to be a lucid and balanced set of ****
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> >> provisions, may be rather far from being so. I briefly explain its ****
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> >> problems here <https://bitly.com/O6YLdp>. What the provision may see **
> **
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> >> as lucid is the evasion of more in-depth inquiry of the kind the EU ***
> *
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> >> is conducting now in its consultation on intermediary liability.****
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> >>** **
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> >> The way Marco Civil does so is by simply stating that *there is no ****
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> >> such a thing as intermediary liability *-- except for contempt of ****
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> >> court. Whether this /is/ a lucid and balanced solution to such a ****
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> >> central problem of contemporary life, I leave up to colleagues to ****
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> >> decide. What I dare say, and have argued elsewhere ****
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> >> <http://ssrn.com/abstract=2101322>, is that, in all its breadth, this *
> ***
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> >> is something internationally unprecedented, which violates the ****
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> >> Brazilian Constitution and Brazil's human rights obligations, and ****
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> >> which will have immediate and pervasive impacts upon Brazilian ****
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> >> society, if not upon the international community altogether.****
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> >>** **
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> >> As the beauty of this process is precisely that it is such an open ****
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> >> consultation, I am sure colleagues in Brazil will wholeheartedly ****
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> >> welcome any views the international community may have on this issue, *
> ***
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> >> which is not any side issue, but one which is central indeed to Marco *
> ***
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> >> Civil's reading of the boundaries of freedom of expression and its ****
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> >> relation with other human rights.****
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> >>** **
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> >> Other than that, I wish my colleagues -- and myself! -- every luck ****
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> >> tomorrow.****
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> >>** **
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> >> All best wishes,****
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> >>** **
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> >> Marcelo****
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> >>** **
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> >> --****
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> >>** **
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> >> Marcelo Thompson****
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> >>** **
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> >> Research / Assistant Professor****
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> >>** **
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> >> Deputy Director, LLM (IT&IP)****
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> >>** **
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> >> Faculty of Law****
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> >>** **
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> >> The University of Hong Kong****
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> >>** **
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> >> http://marcelothompson.hk****
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> >>** **
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> >> On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 11:24 AM, Marilia Maciel ****
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> >> <mariliamaciel at gmail.com <mailto:mariliamaciel at gmail.com>> wrote:****
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> >>** **
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> >> On behalf of Joana Varon, from CTS-FGV****
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> >>** **
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> >> Dear Colleagues,****
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> >>** **
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> >>** **
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> >> Please find attached a letter of support for the Civil Rights ****
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> >> Framework for Internet in Brazil, drafted in partnership with the ****
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> >> following Brazilian civil society organizations: Institute of ****
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> >> Consumers Defense - IDEC; Intervozes and the Center for Technology ****
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> >> and Society - CTS/FGV, but with growing support from a list of others.*
> ***
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> >>** **
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> >> *Next Wednesday, August 8th, the bill shall be voted at a Special ****
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> >> Committee of National Congress*. It would be the first step in the ****
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> >> creation of a legal text that goes in the opposite direction to the ***
> *
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> >> trend of criminalization and imposing intermediary liability on the ***
> *
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> >> web. As you might already know, we had expected it to be voted a ****
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> >> month ago, but it did not happen due to lack of quorum. And nowadays, *
> ***
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> >> though it is the product of a highly democratic process, approval of **
> **
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> >> the text is not guaranteed.****
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> >>** **
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> >> We believe international support can help us put pressure on Congress *
> ***
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> >> for approval. So, if you agree, I would kindly ask your institution ***
> *
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> >> to sign this letter. Sorry for not having being able to propose it as *
> ***
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> >> a document to be edited in partnership, but we are in a rush, as the **
> **
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> >> idea is to have a version with institutional signatures of ****
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> >> international civil society organizations by tomorrow to deliver it ***
> *
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> >> to the Special Commission on *Wednesday*. Signatures can be sent ****
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> >> directly to my email (_joana at varonferraz.com ****
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> >> <mailto:joana at varonferraz.com <joana at varonferraz.com>>_), preferably
> indicating the link to ****
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> >> the website of the supporting institution.****
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> >>** **
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> >> ps. sorry for any eventual cross-posting****
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> >>** **
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> >> Kind regards,****
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> >>** **
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> >> Joana****
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> >>** **
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> >> --****
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> >>** **
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> >> Joana Varon Ferraz****
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> >> http://direitorio.fgv.br/cts/ ****
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> >> Center for Technology and Society****
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