[IRP] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Revising the Charter

shaila mistry shailam
Sat Oct 16 11:43:54 EEST 2010

Dear Lisa, Meryem and Wolfgang

Thank you for the rationale that both of you have presented. Both are  pointing 
to the possible risk of unresponsiveness from our own IRP  members which is a 
reality !
I do understand both of your points and recognize this to be a  possibility 
--weighing all forces at play !  If that were to occur  we  would be delayed in 
the progress of the Charter. I agree with both of  you that this would not be a 
good outcome...

We are all working for the best outcome so we are united in this.  Perhaps we 
might ask how should we handle the elements in the charter  that are untenable. 
It is not necessary for us to be divided on this but  to address some of the 
concerns. Would "tidying up " take care of it ?
Many thanks for providing practical rationale which helped.

Challenge the rules ...push the barriers....
............live beyond your existential means !!
FRom: "Benedek, Wolfgang (wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at)" 
<wolfgang.benedek at uni-graz.at>

To: Lisa Horner <LisaH at global-partners.co.uk>; 
"irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org" 
<irp at lists.internetrightsandprinciples.org>
Sent: Sat, October 16, 2010 1:01:08 AM
Subject: Re: [IRP] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Revising the Charter

Re: [IRP] RESPONSE REQUIRED: Revising the Charter Dear Lisa,

Thank You for all Your good efforts and thanks to everybody who cares about the 
charter project.

I personally would favor option 1, but if the group is very divided we could 
always try to have some combination. 

I appreciate the dynamics which developed since Vilnius where we got a very 
positive feedback in the workshop and after on the first draft, but the problem 
I experienced in the past is that it is difficut to secure a good follow up as 
often invitations to contribute remained without much response.

I believe that the charter and the punchy text could benefit from each other but 
need to be coherent. 

Any suggestions for improvements of the charter are welcome and should arrive by 
end of October, so that the team working on the draft can review them, come back 
to proposers with comments or organize a phone conversation to clarify issues.

And the punchy group should go on with their efforts in parallel. Once they have 
a draft, comments can be invited from others.

Hope that helps.

Best regards

Am 13.10.10 18:18 schrieb "Lisa Horner" unter <LisaH at global-partners.co.uk>:

Hi all
>Thanks for all of the comments so far about our immediate revisions of the 
>Charter.  From these comments two things have emerged as needing immediate 
>attention.  First of all, I will try to clarify what the ?Punchy Working Group? 
>is and what they are doing. Secondly, we need to decide how much work we want to 
>do to the Charter before we use it in external consultations. I have outlined 
>two possibilities at the bottom of the email.  Please could everyone say which 
>option they prefer by this SUNDAY 17TH OCTOBER. 
>a) The Punchy Working Group
>The group formed in Vilnius after our internal meeting in the canteen.  It is 
>informally being led by Brett, and includes Dixie, Shaila, Henrik, Karmen and 
>Carlos.  The group is working to draft a flyer/short document to use as an 
>advocacy and campaigning tool. This is a separate document to the main Charter. 
> People wanted to work on it as they feel they need an advocacy and mobilising 
>tool right now, rather than having to wait for the longer Charter process.  They 
>also wanted something that was shorter and more accessible than the longer, more 
>academic and comprehensive Charter.
>The individual members of the group have brainstormed a list of key principles 
>that they think embody the essence and spirit of the Charter.  They are now 
>working to refine this list, and are due to send a draft to the coalition in the 
>coming weeks.  We can then discuss and edit together.   The idea is to produce 
>something like the Brazilian principles.  Once we?ve all agreed on a version, 
>the plan is for a designer to make it look good, and then it will be ready for 
>people to use in their advocacy work. 
>The proposed ?Punchy? advocacy document will be sent to the mailing list in the 
>next couple of weeks and we will have an in-depth discussion about this document 
>b) The Charter
>At Vilnius it was agreed that some work needs to be done to the main Charter 
>before the external consultation.  However since then there have been some 
>differences in opinion about how much work the Charter needs. 
>Our original plan (which I sent around last week) would give us about two weeks 
>from now to rectify any mistakes in the Charter and, refine some of the language 
>and build in Tapani?s new and improved preamble.  Dixie would undertake this 
>work, based on comments so far, and would send a revised version round for 
>However, there is a feeling among some of us that more work is needed to go 
>through the whole Charter together to make it more concise, clear and inspiring. 
>I would like to stress that this would not be an attempt to rewrite the Charter. 
>We already have a very good Charter! The aim would be to work with what we 
>already have; the substantive content would not change (except for where there 
>are mistakes) but what content we already have would be made more streamlined 
>and consistent. 
>So let?s make a final decision now. I have put the two options we have below (we 
>can refine the details once we?ve broadly agreed on one or the other).  PLEASE 
>the majority on this.  Either are possible and can work.  But please take into 
>consideration whether you personally will have time to participate in the 
>process and can commit to it.
>Please respond...we can?t decide how to go forwards with this if you don?t!
>Thanks and all the best,
>The options:
>1) The original proposed plan
>Main Charter:
>Coalition members submit comments to Dixie about serious concerns that you think 
>need to be addressed in the text.
>Dixie revises text and sends to coalition for comments. 
>Discussion, and final text produced. (original deadline we set was 31 October). 

>External consultation begins in November, and internal discussion within the 
>coalition runs in parallel.
>Final version 2.0 produced in time for IGF 2011.
>Punchy flyer:
>Punchy group drafts separate flyer for coalition to review.
>2) Alternative plan
>Main Charter:
>Dixie revises text according to comments already received since Vilnius. 
>Coalition reviews the Charter in depth. This is likely to take the form of 
>discussing one section per week on the list, seeing where the text can be made 
>more inspiring.  We could organise a conference call at the end of each week to 
>agree final language.
>We produce version 1.1 by end of December, and begin external consultation in 
>January 2011.
>Final version 2.0 produced in time for IGF 2011.
>Punchy flyer
>Work continues to produce separate document as before.
>Note: With either option, we will still be sticking to our original objectives 
>of ?applying? existing rights standards to the Internet.  This means that we 
>have to be careful with our language and to make sure that we don?t contradict 
>or undermine rights standards.  We?ve made progress with the work of the expert 
>group, and don?t want to go backwards.  As has already been pointed out, we?re 
>not trying to produce a consensus document, but rather to apply existing rights 
>standards to the Internet.  If we can?t agree on language, we will have to agree 
>to compromise and/or discuss further during the external consultation.   
>Lisa Horner
>Head of Research & Policy  Global Partners and Associates
>338 City Road, London, EC1V 2PY, UK
>Office: + 44 207 239 8251     Mobile: +44 7867 795859
>LisaH at global-partners.co.uk<mailto:lisah at global-partners.co.uk> 
>  www.global-partners.co.uk<http://www.global-partners.co.uk/> 
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